L A T I O N.8923 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 > @"Dawdler.8521" said: > > @"Voltekka.2375" said: > > Roamers run in groups of 50+ now. Amazingly efficient. > Fixed your mistake. > I Hate IT when i wanna take a camp with 50 roamers and i cant even cap a guard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerThings.9810 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I roam exclusively solo in enemy EBG. I have not been taking camps as frequently b/c of Warclaw. Reinforcements can arrive too quickly and you cannot escape if greatly outnumbered. The only way to avoid the Warclaw pile on is to roam blue/red sides near spawn where you can use cliffs to escape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoV.5139 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Most of them are tail ganking zergs, on glass builds with full escape kits. Its rare when I see someone on a balanced build actually taking "fair" fights, or taking camps / banding together to take a tower, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clownmug.8357 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 The only "brave" roamers these days have easy mode meta builds and run around shoulder to shoulder with their guild buddies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omaris Mortuus Est.2738 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 The game isnt what it was Gotta join the condi zerg Duo roamers?! SOLO?! LMAO "Roamers" are out in gangs of 10 these days! All 10 will jump on a single player! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kraai.7265 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 i'm sorry but... "new generation" ??? who are you talking about? there is no new generation of roamers, roaming is dead since warclaws, and it was dying long before, you might see 10 man squads form just to cap camps but only servers with high pop like blackgate can do those things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
len.7809 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Its not about new generation roamer or old generation roamer. You just can't solo roam anymore. They roam in group of 3 to 5, chase you with mount (Impossible to escape unless you are one of those rifle 4 DE). Mounts killed roaming. Before mounts, you could kite, run from 5 man chasing and have some fun while running for your life. Now, you just accept your fate once you see 5 man jumping on you. Meta has changed, you get oneshoted even you play with 3000 armor+, roaming is not fun and rewarding anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subversiontwo.7501 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 As others have already alluded to, I don't think it is an issue with bravery among the players and rather that the environment has changed. People have mentioned the upgrades system, the shrinking overall playerbase relative coverage to that and the particular changes in roamer amounts or shifts in player demography towards anonymous players following pickup groups to a higher degree than before. Another aspect that hasn't been mentioned (or at least when I read the thread this afternoon) is the introduction of the Warclaw. Alot of the attention in the Warclaw debate has been put on unwilling combatants and ganking vs. squad reconnection. An aspect that has been given far less attention even though it is arguably more important for the health of the mode as a mode is that it shifted the balance between attackers and defenders. That is sometimes mentioned with regards to reconnecting to a defensive fight (say, from spawn for a keep) but if you are looking at everyday gameplay and general statistics it har arguably affected roamers and havocers more. That is another reason for the topic of this thread and it's contribution should not be underestimated. Running slower on hostile soil and being easier caught by superior numbers (even more so on hostile soil) will discourage alot of the activities that roamers and havocers did behind enemy lines by fighting around spawn camps and back-towers or attempting to capture them sneakily. That balance shifted more towards a defenders' advantage and while you can still certainly do it (and reap area benefits by claiming areas behind enemy lines to roam on) there is more of an entry barrier and bits of discouragement to attempting it now. That affects statistics even if it doesn't affect possibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapasmurf.5623 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 > @"len.7809" said: > Its not about new generation roamer or old generation roamer. You just can't solo roam anymore. Well........not entirely true. I am primarily a solo roamer and not a DE aaaaaaaaaaand can usually (not 100% but maybe 80%) peace out before the roaming parties jump on me. The rest of your statements I can get behind however Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lalary.3561 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 What did you expect with mounts in WvW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I feel like this thread is trying to glorify the past more than it deserves. There were always better and worse roamers, they often tried to cap camps before they needed to fight or just pick out the newbs that were staggering behind their groups. The biggest difference nowadays is the introduction of warclaw, but just because you happen to meet groups rolling over camps, doesn't mean that solo/duo roaming is dead. Because it's not, it just seems you guys don't spend time doing it, so you have a weak sample. And btw, they have mounts but you do too, so if you still get steamrolled by groups when you didn't want to pick that fight, it's really *at least* partially on you. Raoming =/= dueling, not sure what you expected lmao. ____________ > @"Mikhael.2391" said: > > @"Sobx.1758" said: > > > @"Mikhael.2391" said: > > > > @"Sobx.1758" said: > > > > > @"Mikhael.2391" said: > > > > > Well i go around looking for fights but when a iget outnumbered not using a broken class that can get in and out at will like thief mesmer rangers warrior and holo my skill means nothing against these classes with better tools. > > > > > > > > > > I still do it and am happy when i win against other bad players since the same lvl of skill ones will win most times due to the class they have. > > > > > > > > Don't you love this logic? If I win, it's because I'm better! But if I lose, it's because you play easier/better class. At this point I'd advice playing "the better class" and stop making excuses when you happen to lose. :D > > > > bonus tip! You're not limited to playing a single class and you can swap them depending on what you want to do :open_mouth: > > > > > > I might loose ofc. But unlike a mesmer that has the tools to fend off a guardian and necro players at same time that have the same skill level because of the class mechanichs and invulns damage denials WHILE dealling damage works better and can be more bursty from a safe distance the other way around will not happen. A guardian cannot disengage at will and successfully run away to get cds back nor a necro. > > > > > > And that is not up to discussion . > > > > Then why arent you playing those classes? Im sure you're playing necro/guard because they're so bad :D > > Tbh it seems you're just making excuses whenever you fail. > > I play them because they are more fun and were the first 2 i played at launch. > > Not making excuses but any necro that wins against a thief means the thief was bad. On the other hand any guard that loses to thief means the guard is bad. What a great way to "discuss" o/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchonWing.9480 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 > @"Len.1879" said: > Well, if, as you say, your enemies have T3 camps and you are sad to see that, why not heed Gandhi? > ![](https://peacemonger.org/assets/images/fm005.jpg "") Hmm... ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoV.5139 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I do, but its usually the Gandhi from Civ. B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excursion.9752 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Times are changing. I feel like a lot of people complain about the good old days. Like we are a bunch of old guys sitting at a restaurant sharing remember when stories. While the youth is looking at us laughing secretly saying in their head, "Get with the times nothing stays the same". I've found that no matter how much I want things to be like the days of Old it just is never going to happen. Things get harder and easier we just have to adapt. Especially with the ebb and flow of the WvW player base which I believe is the main reason for these camps. We just don't have coverage like we used to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenesisII.1540 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Dedicated havoc guilds started dying off since HoT came in. These days you cap camps to pull a fight but people would rather gank with bigger numbers anyways, there's no real reason to waste time trying to cut supply from something upgrading, waypoints became less important with ewp gliders and mounts for faster travel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 > @"Excursion.9752" said: > Times are changing. I feel like a lot of people complain about the good old days. Like we are a bunch of old guys sitting at a restaurant sharing remember when stories. While the youth is looking at us laughing secretly saying in their head, "Get with the times nothing stays the same". I've found that no matter how much I want things to be like the days of Old it just is never going to happen. Things get harder and easier we just have to adapt. Especially with the ebb and flow of the WvW player base which I believe is the main reason for these camps. We just don't have coverage like we used to... it is similar, my experience. and my guys are indeed not young anymore. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepwalker.1398 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I must add that most Tier 3 camps are nowdays littered with ballis and golems. Someone sees you, then they come running and hop into golem and call for backup. Unless you have a couple with you, its no point staying there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig. Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 what roamers? the spawn camping gankers? The 3+x v 1 crowd hanging around their own smc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mil.3562 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 What? Ppl are still playing WvW? Must be waiting for Alliance... wait longer then but not for the change, only another update annoucement, and then... wait for 1 year more... for even more update announcements and then... I T E. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey.3179 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Nike Rangers Unite!!! I almost exclusively solo roam on a Greatsword, sword/warhorn soulbeast with a bird pet. I can't tell you how much fun I have had flipping camps and getting groups to chase me all over the map. I have more fun lately than I have had in a while. I'm not positive but I think Papasmurf plays a mesmer, which is not condi cancer, but everyone knows that mesmers have some serious cooties. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchonWing.9480 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 > @"SoV.5139" said: > I do, but its usually the Gandhi from Civ. B) Maybe but then there wouldn't be a borderlands left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justine.6351 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I don't think anybody was ever brave. They either played builds they knew they could run away on, played builds that could win every 1v1 or just learned to not care if they died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HazyDaisy.4107 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Tiered camps being guarded by 2 and 3 people at 2am on a Monday morning in T4 by the second place team and they still refuse to leave the camp for a "fight" with 1 roamer unless they have another 2-3 more for said "fight" Yes, clearly there's a lack of bravery on the roamers part these days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acheron.4731 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 > @"Justine.6351" said: > I don't think anybody was ever brave. They either played builds they knew they could run away on, played builds that could win every 1v1 or just learned to not care if they died. I was the third I really contributed negatively to our warscore sometimes :) BUT BY GOD I WAS NOT GIVING YOU THAT CAMP FOR FREE That SWC is for MY BAY....STAY OUT (all 4-6 of you thieves, brave ranger at 1500 range and illusions and clones coming from somewhere) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante.1763 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 > @"HazyDaisy.4107" said: > Tiered camps being guarded by 2 and 3 people at 2am on a Monday morning in T4 by the second place team and they still refuse to leave the camp for a "fight" with 1 roamer unless they have another 2-3 more for said "fight" Yes, clearly there's a lack of bravery on the roamers part these days... This so much, in the last year of solo roaming ive never seen so many players camping on camps(the last month has been terrible) and refusing to fight unless they either outnumber you or have backup incoming already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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