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> @"Styros.8931" said: > > @"noiwk.2760" said: > > > right now as i said thief is by far the most played class in ranked pvp.. and this by its self says everything about current state of thief and that it over preform > > ! if you want the sad truth thief should be nerfed further and stealth should be reworked the reason it doesnt happen.. is because Anet are scared of the thief cry baby community .. like you that think thief needs to be god ! if you wanna be god... just do what other peple do now days and use hacks.. zzz > > if thief is best ranked class why i can't see any thief in ranked pvp ? Literally every 3-10 matchs I can see atleast 1 thief in 1 team but boiz thief is op boiz you dont see them cause they abuse stealth.. :P there are daredevil in every game

> @"lare.5129" said: > > @"noiwk.2760" said: > > for people who cry thief does no damage.. sorry.. but this look very strong to me.. > this is should be strong. Should be overpowered and dominate by concept of class ..Otherwise we should merge all classes to one, make one amulet, and pres 11111 > > >when combined with the crazy mobility and stealth . > yes. Or the have plans rename "thief" to "turtle"? Crazy mobility and stealth is normal state of that class. > > > showing out of no where doing quick damage disapearring again and bursting again > yes, this is part of rotation. By this rotation thief should kill any player 1 vs 1 .. And this normal state in most popular mmo games .. > > I come from game where thief win 20: 0 is good valid normal sate .. > > > And here thief is slow shadow of what it should be .. but some people cry anyway ,, or just worried to burst them class by nerf other ??? thats not how thief should be... no class at all should be an auto win .. this is just how you want the class to be .. a class that win any 1v1 isnt normal in any mmo.. its normal in your delusional mind that say very silly things.. .. you basically want thief to be a game master class that 1 click and all map die.. well sorry this cant happen.. even right now daredevil is by far the most played class in ranked pvp... and the top tier .. you can keep crying and crying but thief should see even more nerfs to be brought down back in line with all other classes.. i dont really give a damn about what thief used to be.. its not even a factor here.. what matter is how thief is compared to other classes in the current balance.. and the current state is... thief still got by far far far the best mobility in game.. thief got stealth ! and abuse it! and thief got good damage when comparing to today other classes. ! i dont care that the lines are "low:" because the thief can attack fast and overal do a very stable and good damage .. and yes thief can burst ! thief is by far the best + 1 class making mesmers/heral and others just not worth playing in ranked pvp.. why? because daredevil just do it way better ! sorry to break your bubble of thief does no damage .. but thief actually does more damage than herald and mesmer that are also +1 (not mirage thats a duelist ) while some classes like reaper does more damage.. you can easily predict that damage interupt that damage.. and avoid that damage.. and also reaper is a face fighter it doesnt have the escape and repositioning thief has.. so im sorry.. a class should be good at 1 role .. and when thief is by far the best +1 and roamer .. no it shouldnt be able to be side node or duliest or team fighter.. right now as i said thief is by far the most played class in ranked pvp.. and this by its self says everything about current state of thief and that it over preform ! if you want the sad truth thief should be nerfed further and stealth should be reworked the reason it doesnt happen.. is because Anet are scared of the thief cry baby community .. like you that think thief needs to be god ! if you wanna be god... just do what other peple do now days and use hacks.. zzz

for people who cry thief does no damage.. sorry.. but this look very strong to me.. when combined with the crazy mobility and stealth . showing out of no where doing quick damage disapearring again and bursting again btw its not me .. i just post a video i saw here recently on forum credit to the one who made it gg!

> @"Burnfall.9573" said: > > @"NorthernRedStar.3054" said: > > Anet: "Okay, here's a nerf across the ENTIRE CLASS. Not once, not twice, BUT THRICE. You might want to specify what is it, exactly, that thief _is_ allowed to do even _moderately_ well? > > > > Because currently, it won't be damage. It won't be dueling. It won't be +1'ing. And it most definitely won't be roaming. > > > > > > Anet need to remove Stealth access from Professions including in their traits, food, runes, sigils etc.. and make it entirely Thief Procession mechanic. Stealth is a rogue specialization and is to be given solely and entirely to the Profession whose role it is specialized to and whose its identified to, whose its signature its design for, which is Thief Profession. In addition, with having a complete redesign given entirely to its holder > > **Next Balance Patch**- Remove Stealth access from Mesmer Profession, Elementalist Profession, Ranger Profession and Revenant Profession- > > -The Community already agree with having a redesign Stealth Mechanic and also agree with Stealth being a Rogue Specialization- > > **Thief Profession is The Rogue Specialization** thief also shouldnt have so much of it... stealth should be .. .like emergency skill... like omg im gonna die ill use my stealth.. and not like.. ohh its fine my stealth got basically no cd and i can just use it to frustrate everyone i play against over and over after every time i burst them...

atleast thief is given the ability to runa dn decide when to fight .. if he dont wanna fight he stealth and poof.. daredevil is strong class.. and it continue be the meta even with the short bow nerf.. and it will continue being maybe the best class for ranked pvp..

> @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > @"noiwk.2760" said: > > > @"Halikus.1406" said: > > > > @"BeepBoopBop.5403" said: > > > > > @"Halikus.1406" said: > > > > > > @"CutesySylveon.8290" said: > > > > > > > @"Halikus.1406" said: > > > > > > > Thief mobility was never balanced to begin with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That IS a big nerf, don't get me wrong, but thief is still the most mobile class out there and mobility in this game needs to be brought down. I can absolutely understand them not being happy, but this is long overdue lol > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay but there was nothing given in compensation. Shortbow is now by far the most expensive weapon and it's a utility weapon. You can't make the most important tool on the class so expensive and just leave them with nothing in return. > > > > > > > > > > What? You want more? lol > > > > > > > > > > SB is already offers a buttload of utility in every skill to the point of being a pretty much mandatory weapon to have and you want compensation? Be glad that was all they did to it lol > > > > > > > > Thief has gotten MANY damage nerfs to the past because of it's 'OP' mobility. THAT is why it's extremely upsetting that all that kitten is just down the drain while they nerf mobility too and give nothing in return. > > > > > > The dmg nerfs to some weapons, dagger in particular, may seen to much now I agree. But I dont think thief needs anything more except for some minor number adjustments here and there, because what truly needs to happen is for the still overperforming classes/specs to be brought down. > > > > sorry if im honest daredevil still does crazy burst damage.. while having stealth to poof out once he done its burst.. most classes have been nerfed and most people try to go bunker now to survive against annoying stealth daredevil who burst them down out of no where.. if im honest thief is the most cancer build to play against in pvp.. and im kind of sad they did not remove some of the stealth or rework stelth.. i think daredevil damage is actually pretty good.. > > a + 1 class with best mobility in game and no cd stealth and so many evades and what not.. shouldnt do damage like a necro or like any other class really.. and yet their damage is still pretty high... thieves just want to kill everyone > > In what world is 5k on your hardest hitting skill (and a lot less on your regular skills) "Crazy burst damage"? Bloody hell. Thief damage is pathetic. Theyre still incredibly good because theyre so fast they can decap and +1 better than anyone else, and you dont need much damage for that, but to say that their damage is anything other than really low is silly. They dont do nearly as much damage as *any* other class. Necro hits a *lot* harder. they do low numbers but fast.. their damage really isnt bad..

> @"darren.1064" said: > > @"noiwk.2760" said: > > > @"darren.1064" said: > > > > @"noiwk.2760" said: > > > > > @"JusticeRetroHunter.7684" said: > > > > > > > @"darren.1064" said: > > > > > > > > @"noiwk.2760" said: > > > > > > you only prove you are a kitten who think you can show off titles.. ok .. you ahve titles so everything you say is the truth.. well sorry mate.. 99.9999999999% of the people here who dont play thief dont like to fight against thief .. thief is a problem for everyone here even for bigger players than you are so take your arrogant approach with your meaningless titles and go bully someone else .. > > > > > > > > > > People forget how strong thief was 2 years ago...in comparison to now, it's a joke what's happened to thief. Darren is a top 100 player. He knows how to play thief I've dueled him many times, and I share his disdain for people that think thief is OP... It's ghost of it's former self...all the fun sucked dry from all weapons...all traits... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if he was more op .. doesnt mean its weak now.. you can not compare to what it was but to the builds you have currently ! > > > > its like speaking about spell breaker.. how op it was . and look now? or scourge? but its not how to think about it.. the fact is thief is still meta.. daredevil is still very strong class and im sorry you disagree. but thief dont need to have super mobility and still be able to kill every class.. > > > > > > The thing is, Thief isn't killing every class. Thief is another class that faces counters and weaknesses from multiple other professions. The easiest way to kill thief is literally one of the dozens of skills that forces a thief into revealed, however people don't have enough brain cells to bring those anymore usually, they just complain when a thief goes into stealth. I can think of 100 different counters for thief, but if you don't ever play it then you'll never discover them. We die in 2 hits, but you sure don't see us asking for more vitality or toughness. We just want these nerfs to stop and to see some added damage because our current damage is rather pitiful. > > > > then ill say it again.. the issue i have with thieves is stealth... and unless stealth is finally reworked.. thieves are problem.. > > and sorry not every class/build can have reveal .. if they give every class a decent reveal skills eyah i wont have problem with thieves dont get me wrong i dont want to see thieves as bad class.. i want rework for steralth :) > > What class do you play? a few.. and 1 of them got rightfully nerfed.. i think it got over nerfed but its fine.. time to play more classes.. i play reaper/core necro (power cause condi is cancer) i play speall breaker but currently warriors are shit so i played heal warrior which got over nerfed.. . i play rev both herald and renegade which also got over nerfed today.. so overall i took more nerfs from you .. but i think they were needed... im happy about might make right cause its right direciton but i think physicall skills need to get their damage back for warrior to be a fighter again .. and improve self might aplication for sustain

> @"darren.1064" said: > > @"noiwk.2760" said: > > > @"JusticeRetroHunter.7684" said: > > > > > @"darren.1064" said: > > > > > > @"noiwk.2760" said: > > > > you only prove you are a kitten who think you can show off titles.. ok .. you ahve titles so everything you say is the truth.. well sorry mate.. 99.9999999999% of the people here who dont play thief dont like to fight against thief .. thief is a problem for everyone here even for bigger players than you are so take your arrogant approach with your meaningless titles and go bully someone else .. > > > > > > People forget how strong thief was 2 years ago...in comparison to now, it's a joke what's happened to thief. Darren is a top 100 player. He knows how to play thief I've dueled him many times, and I share his disdain for people that think thief is OP... It's ghost of it's former self...all the fun sucked dry from all weapons...all traits... > > > > > > > > > > > > > if he was more op .. doesnt mean its weak now.. you can not compare to what it was but to the builds you have currently ! > > its like speaking about spell breaker.. how op it was . and look now? or scourge? but its not how to think about it.. the fact is thief is still meta.. daredevil is still very strong class and im sorry you disagree. but thief dont need to have super mobility and still be able to kill every class.. > > The thing is, Thief isn't killing every class. Thief is another class that faces counters and weaknesses from multiple other professions. The easiest way to kill thief is literally one of the dozens of skills that forces a thief into revealed, however people don't have enough brain cells to bring those anymore usually, they just complain when a thief goes into stealth. I can think of 100 different counters for thief, but if you don't ever play it then you'll never discover them. We die in 2 hits, but you sure don't see us asking for more vitality or toughness. We just want these nerfs to stop and to see some added damage because our current damage is rather pitiful. then ill say it again.. the issue i have with thieves is stealth... and unless stealth is finally reworked.. thieves are problem.. and sorry not every class/build can have reveal .. if they give every class a decent reveal skills eyah i wont have problem with thieves dont get me wrong i dont want to see thieves as bad class.. i want rework for steralth :)

> @"JusticeRetroHunter.7684" said: > > > @"darren.1064" said: > > > > @"noiwk.2760" said: > > you only prove you are a kitten who think you can show off titles.. ok .. you ahve titles so everything you say is the truth.. well sorry mate.. 99.9999999999% of the people here who dont play thief dont like to fight against thief .. thief is a problem for everyone here even for bigger players than you are so take your arrogant approach with your meaningless titles and go bully someone else .. > > People forget how strong thief was 2 years ago...in comparison to now, it's a joke what's happened to thief. Darren is a top 100 player. He knows how to play thief I've dueled him many times, and I share his disdain for people that think thief is OP... It's ghost of it's former self...all the fun sucked dry from all weapons...all traits... > > > if he was more op .. doesnt mean its weak now.. you can not compare to what it was but to the builds you have currently ! its like speaking about spell breaker.. how op it was . and look now? or scourge? but its not how to think about it.. the fact is thief is still meta.. daredevil is still very strong class and im sorry you disagree. but thief dont need to have super mobility and still be able to kill every class..

> @"Halikus.1406" said: > > @"BeepBoopBop.5403" said: > > > @"Halikus.1406" said: > > > > @"CutesySylveon.8290" said: > > > > > @"Halikus.1406" said: > > > > > Thief mobility was never balanced to begin with. > > > > > > > > > > That IS a big nerf, don't get me wrong, but thief is still the most mobile class out there and mobility in this game needs to be brought down. I can absolutely understand them not being happy, but this is long overdue lol > > > > > > > > Okay but there was nothing given in compensation. Shortbow is now by far the most expensive weapon and it's a utility weapon. You can't make the most important tool on the class so expensive and just leave them with nothing in return. > > > > > > What? You want more? lol > > > > > > SB is already offers a buttload of utility in every skill to the point of being a pretty much mandatory weapon to have and you want compensation? Be glad that was all they did to it lol > > > > Thief has gotten MANY damage nerfs to the past because of it's 'OP' mobility. THAT is why it's extremely upsetting that all that kitten is just down the drain while they nerf mobility too and give nothing in return. > > The dmg nerfs to some weapons, dagger in particular, may seen to much now I agree. But I dont think thief needs anything more except for some minor number adjustments here and there, because what truly needs to happen is for the still overperforming classes/specs to be brought down. sorry if im honest daredevil still does crazy burst damage.. while having stealth to poof out once he done its burst.. most classes have been nerfed and most people try to go bunker now to survive against annoying stealth daredevil who burst them down out of no where.. if im honest thief is the most cancer build to play against in pvp.. and im kind of sad they did not remove some of the stealth or rework stelth.. i think daredevil damage is actually pretty good.. a + 1 class with best mobility in game and no cd stealth and so many evades and what not.. shouldnt do damage like a necro or like any other class really.. and yet their damage is still pretty high... thieves just want to kill everyone

> @"Azure The Heartless.3261" said: > > @"noiwk.2760" said: > > if im honest this patch as a whole is even a buff for daredevil because its counter classes took a bigger hit > > Dragonhunter took literally no hit. > > and thats regretful ... gurdian werent not nerfed in pvp.. and its sad... burn DH with its traps is getitng on my nerve.. .

> @"UNOwen.7132" said: > I mean the nerfs, in a vacuum, make sense. Consume Plasma was stupidly busted. Essence Sap, idk, if this is just a bugfix disguised as a nerf (it did more damage than intended), then sure. Infilitrators Arrow is one skill that carries the entire class, it is too good. Signet of agility, eh, its an ok nerf I guess? It wasnt even a mandatory utility, so it feels a bit odd, but I digress. > > My worry is that theyre just planning to make thief worse without compensation. Because that wont work. Either thief moves faster than everyone else and is mandatory, or it doesnt, and is unplayable and worth reporting for. If you want to reduce thieves reliance on being the fastest, they have to have something else to have a reason to be picked. they are still fastest and lets face it.. daredevil is crazy strong! amazing burst crazy mobility.. it also has stealth and its frustrating to fight daredevil... if im honest this patch as a whole is even a buff for daredevil because its counter classes took a bigger hit.. and right now its even harder to counter a daredevil renegade? not only they removed this class from the game..deleting the celestial amu is deleting every trace left of this class.. and heal warrior heals got halved.. daredevil sorry not only gonna stay meta its gonna be at the top of it..

> @"felix.2386" said: > > @"noiwk.2760" said: > > > @"CutesySylveon.8290" said: > > > > @"felix.2386" said: > > > > > @"CutesySylveon.8290" said: > > > > > > @"felix.2386" said: > > > > > > > @"CutesySylveon.8290" said: > > > > > > > > @"mes.4607" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Lilyanna.9361" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"mes.4607" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Lilyanna.9361" said: > > > > > > > > > > > They removed ANOTHER amulet. This pvp is falling further into the dumpster. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cele amulet should have never came back > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And this is why the game is like this and several more people left. Nice job bud. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The amulet did too much by design unfortunately > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh please, it had a lower stat value and still did too much? That's a sign we've got crappy options if Cele is too strong. What used it besides Renegade? > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Lilyanna.9361" said: > > > > > > > > @"mes.4607" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Lilyanna.9361" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"mes.4607" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Lilyanna.9361" said: > > > > > > > > > > > They removed ANOTHER amulet. This pvp is falling further into the dumpster. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cele amulet should have never came back > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And this is why the game is like this and several more people left. Nice job bud. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The amulet did too much by design unfortunately > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ?? Did you not read the stats on that thing. It overall had LOWER stat values then ALL of the amulets currently within the game. Are you PURPOSEFULLY choosing to ignore that fact. When you picked celestial your RUNE mattered more because of how low the value was. Are you serious rn?? > > > > > > > > > > > > it's you guys who don't read the stats, celestial had higher vitality and toughness then paladin and did more damage then paladin with the combination of power/condition damage/precision/ferocity on top of having healing power > > > > > > > > > > > > i like how only noob with no idea complains about removal of these amulets. you are really just getting carried by builds really.. > > > > > > > > > > Two minor stats have a lower total than Cele, big whoop. It's 60 points, and Paladin is a trash amulet to begin with. I don't use Cele builds but I'm also not so bad I thought they were busted. If we had better stat options then Cele would be even less relevant, but idiots that like taking amulets away don't realize this. > > > > > > > > you realize what you saying make no sense right? > > > > > > > > you realize there's barely any stats with toughness, and paladin was supposed to be the tanky double defense stats, yet celestial not only has more defense stats, also does more damage if you build for hybrid. that's what we call busted. > > > > > > > > also celestial even nerfed, will only serve noobs to play cancer braindead build which will build toxicity to the game. > > > > > > > > and " If we had better stat options then Cele would be even less relevant" what does it even mean, are you asking for more busted stat, are you saying you don't care about balance, because this is what it sounds like, > > > > > > > > and yes you are skill less. > > > > > > Paladin is a bad stat combo, end of story. If you're complaining Cele was better because you're a hybrid build, then congrats it's doing its job. Does Cele do more damge if you aren't a hybrid build? No because you've got wasted stats, obviously. So you can try to cherry pick situations where Cele is better and act like there was no alternative or downsides to it, but it just makes you look stupid. Anet's been taking out tanky amulets for a while now because of whining people like you, so if you're upset Paladin, the supposed Tanky amulet, is so weak, be upset at yourself and Anet for removing every other option. Eventually we'll be down to nothing but Berserker stats because Marauders is too tanky and does too much damage. /s but not really > > > > > > 100% the nerf to paladin was kitten.. it should;ve kept the 3k total start .. > > and deleting celestial is another dumb kitten .. ... also they just ruined the meta even more.. so now it gonna be just tanky core necro guardians.. and daredevil metal.. nice.. > > Funny how you said nerf to paladin was kitten then complain about tanky builds. > you people are really clueless and have no idea what you talking about don't you. the amu isnt the solution .. tanky core necro is tanky not just because of the amu.. sure its amu got 900 vit but its not why its op.. give reaper 900 vit will it be tanky ? no.. and i didnt complain about core neco.. i said it will be part of the strict meta... i only have 1 complain and its stealth and daredevil the rest is fine as it is..

> @"CutesySylveon.8290" said: > > @"felix.2386" said: > > > @"CutesySylveon.8290" said: > > > > @"felix.2386" said: > > > > > @"CutesySylveon.8290" said: > > > > > > @"mes.4607" said: > > > > > > > @"Lilyanna.9361" said: > > > > > > > > @"mes.4607" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Lilyanna.9361" said: > > > > > > > > > They removed ANOTHER amulet. This pvp is falling further into the dumpster. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cele amulet should have never came back > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And this is why the game is like this and several more people left. Nice job bud. > > > > > > > > > > > > The amulet did too much by design unfortunately > > > > > > > > > > Oh please, it had a lower stat value and still did too much? That's a sign we've got crappy options if Cele is too strong. What used it besides Renegade? > > > > > > > > > @"Lilyanna.9361" said: > > > > > > @"mes.4607" said: > > > > > > > @"Lilyanna.9361" said: > > > > > > > > @"mes.4607" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Lilyanna.9361" said: > > > > > > > > > They removed ANOTHER amulet. This pvp is falling further into the dumpster. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cele amulet should have never came back > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And this is why the game is like this and several more people left. Nice job bud. > > > > > > > > > > > > The amulet did too much by design unfortunately > > > > > > > > > > ?? Did you not read the stats on that thing. It overall had LOWER stat values then ALL of the amulets currently within the game. Are you PURPOSEFULLY choosing to ignore that fact. When you picked celestial your RUNE mattered more because of how low the value was. Are you serious rn?? > > > > > > > > it's you guys who don't read the stats, celestial had higher vitality and toughness then paladin and did more damage then paladin with the combination of power/condition damage/precision/ferocity on top of having healing power > > > > > > > > i like how only noob with no idea complains about removal of these amulets. you are really just getting carried by builds really.. > > > > > > Two minor stats have a lower total than Cele, big whoop. It's 60 points, and Paladin is a trash amulet to begin with. I don't use Cele builds but I'm also not so bad I thought they were busted. If we had better stat options then Cele would be even less relevant, but idiots that like taking amulets away don't realize this. > > > > you realize what you saying make no sense right? > > > > you realize there's barely any stats with toughness, and paladin was supposed to be the tanky double defense stats, yet celestial not only has more defense stats, also does more damage if you build for hybrid. that's what we call busted. > > > > also celestial even nerfed, will only serve noobs to play cancer braindead build which will build toxicity to the game. > > > > and " If we had better stat options then Cele would be even less relevant" what does it even mean, are you asking for more busted stat, are you saying you don't care about balance, because this is what it sounds like, > > > > and yes you are skill less. > > Paladin is a bad stat combo, end of story. If you're complaining Cele was better because you're a hybrid build, then congrats it's doing its job. Does Cele do more damge if you aren't a hybrid build? No because you've got wasted stats, obviously. So you can try to cherry pick situations where Cele is better and act like there was no alternative or downsides to it, but it just makes you look stupid. Anet's been taking out tanky amulets for a while now because of whining people like you, so if you're upset Paladin, the supposed Tanky amulet, is so weak, be upset at yourself and Anet for removing every other option. Eventually we'll be down to nothing but Berserker stats because Marauders is too tanky and does too much damage. /s but not really 100% the nerf to paladin was retarded.. it should;ve kept the 3k total start .. and deleting celestial is another dumb shit .. ... also they just ruined the meta even more.. so now it gonna be just tanky core necro guardians.. and daredevil metal.. nice..

sorry.. while some steps in this patch are good.. like nerfing heal wariror .. the nerf is too big.. and buff to might makes right is nice.. but sorry that wont bring duliest warrior back into the game.. because warrior still dont have reasonable way to deal dmaage! rev got entirely destroyed .. no one ever gonna play rev in ranked pvp.. also deleteing the celestial amu is ohh we dont know how to do balance lets Umm.. delete? where is the nerf to thief and especially daredevil that abuse pvp? who is gonna stop daredevil now? there is even less ways to counter it.. becuase warrior cant heal as much anymore.. and rev cant sustain the thief burst ! these changes while some of them are good needed to come along other changes! truth is.. this patch doesnt change the meta... it only make the meta more strict ..

> @"Raiden The Beast.3016" said: > thread deleted in 3.....2.....1..... ive said nothing disrespectful ive only stated the truth

> @"wevh.2903" said: > Bots always end up winning , the only way to get rid of bots would be cut rewards on low ratings (wich is unfair) or make pvp rewards rewards bounded , so all rewards would be skins , equip etc but never gold or stuff u can sell and win gold . > > > Joining a unraked match wich is 4v5 its ok , but a ranked match its not a healthy option. > > You already have map signals. When i need help i target my support , you have too a second target option wich is visibld for a moment and doenst break team target. > > > > Reroll is a skilled thing too , a multi classer can win games by adaption and filling a needed team role . It is fair and skillful in ny opinion. > > > Respawn time is 15s u want it shorter?, meta has greatly changed and there is not a "snowball" meta anymore like in post feb . When ppl respawns abd suicides 1v3 it is a l2p issue. > > theres easier way.. let me think about it.. Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ... .. Ban the bots? O.o

> @"Exile.8160" said: > > @"noiwk.2760" said: > > > @"Exile.8160" said: > > > > @"Ovark.2514" said: > > > > > @"Exile.8160" said: > > > > > > @"Ovark.2514" said: > > > > > > There is no skill anymore. Whoever can spam the most garbage on the screen wins. Seriously the most cancer meta in 8 years. Thanks scourge, renegade, nade spam holo, immob spam druids, Symbol spam guardians. > > > > > > > > > > Symbol spam guard? Or burn trap Dh? > > > > > > > > Well that too. > > > > > > Symbols got gutted last nerf so nothing to fear there. > > > > burn DH is still pretty insane ! in lowelo or more correctly with bots filling the ranked pvp and obviously bot dont think... the traps got abit too much impact.. > > Agree traps are strong but thats the only build guards have. Everything else got nerf to the ground. So if they r going to nerf traps they better buff something else. i never asked for traps nerf or guardian. infact onlything i think should be tunned down from guard is the block/and immu i just say .. people shouldnt rush to ask minions nerfed altho i dont play minions i think minions are bad lol.. it can only 1v1 . in team fight the minions are cleaved instnatly and the necro is walking meat

> @"Exile.8160" said: > > @"Ovark.2514" said: > > > @"Exile.8160" said: > > > > @"Ovark.2514" said: > > > > There is no skill anymore. Whoever can spam the most garbage on the screen wins. Seriously the most cancer meta in 8 years. Thanks scourge, renegade, nade spam holo, immob spam druids, Symbol spam guardians. > > > > > > Symbol spam guard? Or burn trap Dh? > > > > Well that too. > > Symbols got gutted last nerf so nothing to fear there. burn DH is still pretty insane ! in lowelo or more correctly with bots filling the ranked pvp and obviously bot dont think... the traps got abit too much impact..

they dont really care for the competitive modes.. lets face it? who even play pvp? mostly bots.. and they dont complain about balance ! the ones who still play.. use hacks.. so they also dont complain about balance. .they use hacks to bypass the balance! if they cared even alittle bit.. they would;ve done something about the bots and hacking.. for got sake even wvw is being filled with hacks.. now days.. why? because its 0 risk.. people flying in wvw and teleporting.. balance? meh Anet dont know what is balance.. and they dont bother to learn because as said.. they just dont care about competitive modes.. for them its only pve and gemstore.. wvw/pvp can die for them.. i start to consider goin on another game..

problem is.. Anet does nothing against bots/hackers.. today you will see even elite classes botting and hacking.. not only free to play why? because its safe

thief class just want to kill everyone with ease .. and if he got abit of trouble against 1 class simply because he dont know how to trick brainless minions and lure them and then assasin the necro.. he say "disable" ... pity.. if anything should be disabled is stealth and thief short bow.

> @"darren.1064" said: > > @"noiwk.2760" said: > > > @"darren.1064" said: > > > > @"noiwk.2760" said: > > > > > @"darren.1064" said: > > > > > > @"noiwk.2760" said: > > > > > > > @"darren.1064" said: > > > > > > > > @"Brimstone Jack.3462" said: > > > > > > > > Seriously? Minions are your big gripe here? You can't cc, avoid, or kill minions? Or just face tank them? Even fully powered with shades, minions shouldn't be giving you that much trouble. Seriously, they don't have a return command. Lure them a few hundred feet away and bum rush their necro. It'll take about a month for them to catch up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll go easier on you next time, bud. <3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a thief, I have a firm hatred of minions also. They hard counter thief and ranger, but I don't think minions should just get outright destroyed. I think they should just follow GW1's system and have a natural health degeneration and so every 45-60 seconds a necromancers minions die and maybe stick a 15-20 second CD after the minions die and can be animated again. > > > > > > > > > > > > someone have to counter that broken thief class.. daredevil so broken.. we should disable stealth in pvp if anything.. > > > > > > > > > > and what makes thief so broken? > > > > > > > > you really ask? everything.. DareDevil is op in everything.. mobility? op! damage? op! stealth ? and sustain? op! entirely broken class that is too good at everything daredevil and holos > > > > > > > > > Classes with great mobility: Mesmer, thief, revenant, warrior, ranger > > > Classes with great damage: Revenant, Necro, Engineer-- thief doesn't have damage on par with any of these three classes so you can give up on that argument > > > Classes with access to stealth: Ranger, thief, necro, engineer, guardian, mesmer > > > Classes with actual sustain: Revenant, Warrior, Guardian, Necromancer, Engineer-- you get where this is going, right? Everybody but thief pretty much > > > > > > Just because you believe this is OP doesn't mean that it's op. instead of complaining about a neutered class then why don't you make it out of gold or silver or if you're bronze then finally make it out of silver. Thief is broken to people that have to wear a helmet for everyday tasks and I'm sorry if that's a requirement for you getting out of bed every morning. Although thief has the best mobility in game and access to stealth, those don't amount to anything. We have probably the worst damage currently and have actual 0 sustain; a thief gets hit twice and we die. So shush. > > > > you are clueless.. you couldnt have wrote a worse post really.. all classes together doesnt have a mobility close to thief .. ! thats 1 > > damage? sorry again clueless .. rev engineer more damage than daredevil? lmao laughing laughing. both herald and renegade or core rev or core engi or scapper are even anywhere close to theif in terms of damage. ! does necro have overall potential for more damge? yeah but not even close to the thief close and necro is easily countered unlike thief . > > > > stealth necro? thats a new to me.. no class can abuse stealth like thief and spam it over and over .. sorry but you have to face it.. daredevil is broken op and should be nerfed > > 1.) Yes.... Holo and Rev both have more damage than thief. > 2.) Yes.... I said thief has the highest mobility in the game and highest access to stealth > 3.) Yes.... Renegade is currently bullying most other classes in ranked right now because it has solid damage and survivability against even 1v2s and is probably the best tank currently. > 4.) No. Core revenant, core engineer and scrapper don't have as good damage as daredevil thief because they're all on the tankier side as opposed to the damage side. You don't mention how they all survive better than thief currently. > 5.) Yes.... Necro does have better damage than thief and better survivability and the ability to tank points > 6.) No, necro is not more easily countered than thief because currently necro counters thief keep dreaming lets agree to disagree..

> @"CutesySylveon.8290" said: > > @"darren.1064" said: > > > @"noiwk.2760" said: > > > > @"darren.1064" said: > > > > > @"noiwk.2760" said: > > > > > > @"darren.1064" said: > > > > > > > @"Brimstone Jack.3462" said: > > > > > > > Seriously? Minions are your big gripe here? You can't cc, avoid, or kill minions? Or just face tank them? Even fully powered with shades, minions shouldn't be giving you that much trouble. Seriously, they don't have a return command. Lure them a few hundred feet away and bum rush their necro. It'll take about a month for them to catch up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll go easier on you next time, bud. <3 > > > > > > > > > > > > As a thief, I have a firm hatred of minions also. They hard counter thief and ranger, but I don't think minions should just get outright destroyed. I think they should just follow GW1's system and have a natural health degeneration and so every 45-60 seconds a necromancers minions die and maybe stick a 15-20 second CD after the minions die and can be animated again. > > > > > > > > > > someone have to counter that broken thief class.. daredevil so broken.. we should disable stealth in pvp if anything.. > > > > > > > > and what makes thief so broken? > > > > > > you really ask? everything.. DareDevil is op in everything.. mobility? op! damage? op! stealth ? and sustain? op! entirely broken class that is too good at everything daredevil and holos > > > > > > Classes with great mobility: Mesmer, thief, revenant, warrior, ranger > > Classes with great damage: Revenant, Necro, Engineer-- thief doesn't have damage on par with any of these three classes so you can give up on that argument > > Classes with access to stealth: Ranger, thief, necro, engineer, guardian, mesmer > > Classes with actual sustain: Revenant, Warrior, Guardian, Necromancer, Engineer-- you get where this is going, right? Everybody but thief pretty much > > > > Just because you believe this is OP doesn't mean that it's op. instead of complaining about a neutered class then why don't you make it out of gold or silver or if you're bronze then finally make it out of silver. Thief is broken to people that have to wear a helmet for everyday tasks and I'm sorry if that's a requirement for you getting out of bed every morning. Although thief has the best mobility in game and access to stealth, those don't amount to anything. We have probably the worst damage currently and have actual 0 sustain; a thief gets hit twice and we die. So shush. > > Wait, Necro has stealth now? Did I miss something? ikr? this guy will say anything to try defend the poor thief class that is abusing and harassing pvp for far too long..

> @"darren.1064" said: > > @"noiwk.2760" said: > > > @"darren.1064" said: > > > > @"noiwk.2760" said: > > > > > @"darren.1064" said: > > > > > > @"Brimstone Jack.3462" said: > > > > > > Seriously? Minions are your big gripe here? You can't cc, avoid, or kill minions? Or just face tank them? Even fully powered with shades, minions shouldn't be giving you that much trouble. Seriously, they don't have a return command. Lure them a few hundred feet away and bum rush their necro. It'll take about a month for them to catch up. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll go easier on you next time, bud. <3 > > > > > > > > > > As a thief, I have a firm hatred of minions also. They hard counter thief and ranger, but I don't think minions should just get outright destroyed. I think they should just follow GW1's system and have a natural health degeneration and so every 45-60 seconds a necromancers minions die and maybe stick a 15-20 second CD after the minions die and can be animated again. > > > > > > > > someone have to counter that broken thief class.. daredevil so broken.. we should disable stealth in pvp if anything.. > > > > > > and what makes thief so broken? > > > > you really ask? everything.. DareDevil is op in everything.. mobility? op! damage? op! stealth ? and sustain? op! entirely broken class that is too good at everything daredevil and holos > > > Classes with great mobility: Mesmer, thief, revenant, warrior, ranger > Classes with great damage: Revenant, Necro, Engineer-- thief doesn't have damage on par with any of these three classes so you can give up on that argument > Classes with access to stealth: Ranger, thief, necro, engineer, guardian, mesmer > Classes with actual sustain: Revenant, Warrior, Guardian, Necromancer, Engineer-- you get where this is going, right? Everybody but thief pretty much > > Just because you believe this is OP doesn't mean that it's op. instead of complaining about a neutered class then why don't you make it out of gold or silver or if you're bronze then finally make it out of silver. Thief is broken to people that have to wear a helmet for everyday tasks and I'm sorry if that's a requirement for you getting out of bed every morning. Although thief has the best mobility in game and access to stealth, those don't amount to anything. We have probably the worst damage currently and have actual 0 sustain; a thief gets hit twice and we die. So shush. you are clueless.. you couldnt have wrote a worse post really.. all classes together doesnt have a mobility close to thief .. ! thats 1 damage? sorry again clueless .. rev engineer more damage than daredevil? lmao laughing laughing. both herald and renegade or core rev or core engi or scapper are even anywhere close to theif in terms of damage. ! does necro have overall potential for more damge? yeah but not even close to the thief close and necro is easily countered unlike thief . stealth necro? thats a new to me.. no class can abuse stealth like thief and spam it over and over .. sorry but you have to face it.. daredevil is broken op and should be nerfed