Crab Fear.1624 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Left abilities or right abilities? Thief uses less weapons skills per minute than any class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme.3164 Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 > @"Yasai.3549" said: > No they aren't. > They have had their power level severely neutered, that much is true, but so did most of the Professions. > > Only few builds (not professions, builds) are left largely untouched and are truly thriving. I'd argue that ranger is truly the only profession I don't see spammed left and right anylonger, I'd say that at best you can reach gold 3 on ranger with good luck on yourside and playing just +1 zerk core hit and run. Not enough sustain for anything else really atm on ranger, they gutted any possibility for a competitive duellist. With all the buffs to mobility, pretty much any class can keep up with a ranger trying to kite away and that was the main source of sustain for ranger with the other being the GS block which has been severely nerfed to uselness, it's the only source of blocking on the class and now the long CD made it that much worst. I really don't see nearly as many rangers as before...actually I see many more eles than rangers now and it's a first, the best PvP build for the class is rated as good for max Gold rank so...I don't think my thread is that wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorhuz.4695 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 > @"Supreme.3164" said: > As far as I can see, **ranger is the only class with basically double CD on almost everything and sustain halved in PvP** compared to WvW and all other professions: the soulbeast utilities have double CD, sustain traits are reduced by 2/3 and Druid has double CD on their mechanic.......I don't see with other professions that enjoy same benefits both in PvP and WvW. > My question is simple : Why has ranger received such heavy handed changes when other professions have not? > > I may be wrong but as far I can see....playing ranger in PvP is truly a daunting experience compared to WvW...other professions don't suffer nearly as much with the same transition between modes. Boi lemme tell you how being a mesmer works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CutesySylveon.8290 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 If there's any trait that needs to be thrown into the bowels of hell, it's Ancient Seeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar.4257 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > @"Yasai.3549" said: > > No they aren't. > > They have had their power level severely neutered, that much is true, but so did most of the Professions. > > > > Only few builds (not professions, builds) are left largely untouched and are truly thriving. > > I'd argue that ranger is truly the only profession I don't see spammed left and right anylonger, I'd say that at best you can reach gold 3 on ranger with good luck on yourside and playing just +1 zerk core hit and run. Not enough sustain for anything else really atm on ranger, they gutted any possibility for a competitive duellist. > > With all the buffs to mobility, pretty much any class can keep up with a ranger trying to kite away and that was the main source of sustain for ranger with the other being the GS block which has been severely nerfed to uselness, it's the only source of blocking on the class and now the long CD made it that much worst. > > I really don't see nearly as many rangers as before...actually I see many more eles than rangers now and it's a first, the best PvP build for the class is rated as good for max Gold rank so...I don't think my thread is that wrong Ranger GS block has the exact same cooldown as the equivalent skills of Warrior Shield Block and Engineer Shield Block, and as a measure of seconds-blocked-per-seconds-CD also has the same value as Rev Staff block. Also has a lower CD than guardian focus block, lower CD than chrono shield block, and when traited has better block uptime than Scrapper hammer. "nerfed to uselness" - when infact its as good as, or better, than everyone else's block skills. Your bias is showing. Also, I see plenty of rangers in plat-2. Honestly, if Renegade gets the nerfs it deserves in the next patch (whenever that is....), I can totally see Ranger being meta on sides again. It's only real competition atm is weaver. Ranger's only issue in PvP right now is the exact same issue it has had since the launch of the game, which is that its abilities don't scale up when the size of the fights scales up. I.e. its value drops way off when things escalate to 4+ vs 4+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megametzler.5729 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 > @"Ragnar.4257" said: > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > @"Yasai.3549" said: > > > No they aren't. > > > They have had their power level severely neutered, that much is true, but so did most of the Professions. > > > > > > Only few builds (not professions, builds) are left largely untouched and are truly thriving. > > > > I'd argue that ranger is truly the only profession I don't see spammed left and right anylonger, I'd say that at best you can reach gold 3 on ranger with good luck on yourside and playing just +1 zerk core hit and run. Not enough sustain for anything else really atm on ranger, they gutted any possibility for a competitive duellist. > > > > With all the buffs to mobility, pretty much any class can keep up with a ranger trying to kite away and that was the main source of sustain for ranger with the other being the GS block which has been severely nerfed to uselness, it's the only source of blocking on the class and now the long CD made it that much worst. > > > > I really don't see nearly as many rangers as before...actually I see many more eles than rangers now and it's a first, the best PvP build for the class is rated as good for max Gold rank so...I don't think my thread is that wrong > > Ranger GS block has the exact same cooldown as the equivalent skills of Warrior Shield Block and Engineer Shield Block, and as a measure of seconds-blocked-per-seconds-CD also has the same value as Rev Staff block. Also has a lower CD than guardian focus block, lower CD than chrono shield block, and when traited has better block uptime than Scrapper hammer. > > "nerfed to uselness" - when infact its as good as, or better, than everyone else's block skills. Your bias is showing. > > Also, I see plenty of rangers in plat-2. Honestly, if Renegade gets the nerfs it deserves in the next patch (whenever that is....), I can totally see Ranger being meta on sides again. It's only real competition atm is weaver. > > Ranger's only issue in PvP right now is the exact same issue it has had since the launch of the game, which is that its abilities don't scale up when the size of the fights scales up. I.e. its value drops way off when things escalate to 4+ vs 4+. > I might not yet have a significant statistic here, but today the average number of rangers was 3 per game in Plat2. They are definitely doing strong. Also agree on the last point. That does not have to be a bad thing when designing side noders, but it becomes problematic when the whole class basically relies on these mechanics. Maybe EoD can solve this issue somehow by making the pet like a moving scourge shade, support - or damaging - AoEs spawn around both ranger and pet? Might be something to explore, but not some issue with ranger to be solved now. Now I would mostly want the pets adjusted - don't heal them during swaps? Or just make sespecially smokescale and jacaranda less obnoxious? Would leave that to ranger mains - and some knockback spam from druid changed to knockdowns or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > @"Yasai.3549" said: > > No they aren't. > > They have had their power level severely neutered, that much is true, but so did most of the Professions. > > > > Only few builds (not professions, builds) are left largely untouched and are truly thriving. > > I'd argue that ranger is truly the only profession I don't see spammed left and right anylonger, I'd say that at best you can reach gold 3 on ranger with good luck on yourside and playing just +1 zerk core hit and run. Not enough sustain for anything else really atm on ranger, they gutted any possibility for a competitive duellist. > > With all the buffs to mobility, pretty much any class can keep up with a ranger trying to kite away and that was the main source of sustain for ranger with the other being the GS block which has been severely nerfed to uselness, it's the only source of blocking on the class and now the long CD made it that much worst. > > I really don't see nearly as many rangers as before...actually I see many more eles than rangers now and it's a first, the best PvP build for the class is rated as good for max Gold rank so...I don't think my thread is that wrong I dont know man, when Im on ranger I get 3x to 4x the healing I get usually on mesmer, often even get most healing in team. as for ranger block, its still one of the best if not the best in the entire game. You are just used to old block which was so fucking broken it was better then the best defensive skills of other classes, and in fact it was so fucking OP, it was usually better then 2 to 3 other defensive skills combined. Like yes, ranger is not the hot stuff meta OP like other bullshit builds going around but its not bad either. Proj hate going around and bunker healer bullshit really hurts the ranger RN but it might change any moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arheundel.6451 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 There is not a single spec on ranger considered even Great as far as meta goes, the highest ranger spec is rated at Good ...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme.3164 Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > @"Yasai.3549" said: > > > No they aren't. > > > They have had their power level severely neutered, that much is true, but so did most of the Professions. > > > > > > Only few builds (not professions, builds) are left largely untouched and are truly thriving. > > > > I'd argue that ranger is truly the only profession I don't see spammed left and right anylonger, I'd say that at best you can reach gold 3 on ranger with good luck on yourside and playing just +1 zerk core hit and run. Not enough sustain for anything else really atm on ranger, they gutted any possibility for a competitive duellist. > > > > With all the buffs to mobility, pretty much any class can keep up with a ranger trying to kite away and that was the main source of sustain for ranger with the other being the GS block which has been severely nerfed to uselness, it's the only source of blocking on the class and now the long CD made it that much worst. > > > > I really don't see nearly as many rangers as before...actually I see many more eles than rangers now and it's a first, the best PvP build for the class is rated as good for max Gold rank so...I don't think my thread is that wrong > > I dont know man, when Im on ranger I get 3x to 4x the healing I get usually on mesmer, often even get most healing in team. > as for ranger block, its still one of the best if not the best in the entire game. You are just used to old block which was so kitten broken it was better then the best defensive skills of other classes, and in fact it was so kitten OP, it was usually better then 2 to 3 other defensive skills combined. > Like yes, ranger is not the hot stuff meta OP like other kitten builds going around but its not bad either. Proj hate going around and bunker healer kitten really hurts the ranger RN but it might change any moment. Well I have said that you can reach gold 3 with the class so yeah...it's playable but definitely not META, in the last couple of months they were like 0 ranger both in NA and EU mats semi and finals that must mean something. And yeah the projectile hate really hurts , I hope next elite will offers a different playstyle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Leonidrex.5649 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > @"Yasai.3549" said: > > > > No they aren't. > > > > They have had their power level severely neutered, that much is true, but so did most of the Professions. > > > > > > > > Only few builds (not professions, builds) are left largely untouched and are truly thriving. > > > > > > I'd argue that ranger is truly the only profession I don't see spammed left and right anylonger, I'd say that at best you can reach gold 3 on ranger with good luck on yourside and playing just +1 zerk core hit and run. Not enough sustain for anything else really atm on ranger, they gutted any possibility for a competitive duellist. > > > > > > With all the buffs to mobility, pretty much any class can keep up with a ranger trying to kite away and that was the main source of sustain for ranger with the other being the GS block which has been severely nerfed to uselness, it's the only source of blocking on the class and now the long CD made it that much worst. > > > > > > I really don't see nearly as many rangers as before...actually I see many more eles than rangers now and it's a first, the best PvP build for the class is rated as good for max Gold rank so...I don't think my thread is that wrong > > > > I dont know man, when Im on ranger I get 3x to 4x the healing I get usually on mesmer, often even get most healing in team. > > as for ranger block, its still one of the best if not the best in the entire game. You are just used to old block which was so kitten broken it was better then the best defensive skills of other classes, and in fact it was so kitten OP, it was usually better then 2 to 3 other defensive skills combined. > > Like yes, ranger is not the hot stuff meta OP like other kitten builds going around but its not bad either. Proj hate going around and bunker healer kitten really hurts the ranger RN but it might change any moment. > > Well I have said that you can reach gold 3 with the class so yeah...it's playable but definitely not META, in the last couple of months they were like 0 ranger both in NA and EU mats semi and finals that must mean something. And yeah the projectile hate really hurts , I hope next elite will offers a different playstyle my ranger is not even 30 days old and im gold 3 while duo - queueing with another friend that also plays class that he doesnt know how to play. ranger can definitely reach higher ranks, wont be too hard to push past p1/p2 in the end it will boil down to meta being bad for ranger, from renegade and guards proj hate, inability to stop support warrior from bannering reliably and getting shit on by random DH trap and DH in general doing better. Cant cleave or stomp right hurts the ranger, why not play dh, throw a spinny sword and get 20k dmg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math.5123 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 > @"Arheundel.6451" said: > There is not a single spec on ranger considered even Great as far as meta goes, the highest ranger spec is rated at Good ...lol > Decap druid is basically played on every monthly and daily at winning team right now. But I guess that doesn't count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kachros.4751 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 > @"Math.5123" said: > > @"Arheundel.6451" said: > > There is not a single spec on ranger considered even Great as far as meta goes, the highest ranger spec is rated at Good ...lol > > > > Decap druid is basically played on every monthly and daily at winning team right now. But I guess that doesn't count. This build isnt exactly good gameplay, its unhealthy but doesnt deny the fact ranger does see play but this build is basically the only viable build ranger can offer in this meta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 > @"Math.5123" said: > > @"Arheundel.6451" said: > > There is not a single spec on ranger considered even Great as far as meta goes, the highest ranger spec is rated at Good ...lol > > > > Decap druid is basically played on every monthly and daily at winning team right now. But I guess that doesn't count. im fairly sure every ranger would rather decap druid died, fuck. I tried it once and I felt like I died on the inside, after 1 game. Ill take legit any other build over this shit, its peak of poor gameplay design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalisto.5780 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Have you ever played ele? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme.3164 Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > @"Math.5123" said: > > > @"Arheundel.6451" said: > > > There is not a single spec on ranger considered even Great as far as meta goes, the highest ranger spec is rated at Good ...lol > > > > > > > Decap druid is basically played on every monthly and daily at winning team right now. But I guess that doesn't count. > > im fairly sure every ranger would rather decap druid died, kitten. I tried it once and I felt like I died on the inside, after 1 game. > Ill take legit any other build over this kitten, its peak of poor gameplay design. It's pretty bad as concept even worst that it relies on a rather important trait for druid: AS , being the only thing making druid worth using outside raids. I suspect Anets refuse to change druid because they fear a comeback for old druid bunker (despite the numerous nerfs it received) They went the wrong way about Druid, they should have focus the support aspect around the pets and not the ranger itself..But too late for any of that, they will probably nerf or remove AS making druid that much worst to use outside raids, at the very least if they remove AS they should un-nerf the CD of celestial form Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme.3164 Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 > @"Khalisto.5780" said: > Have you ever played ele? A ranger trying to out point cap an ele has really no chance atm, both fire weaver and lr weaver would kill the ranger unless he starts to kite away at which point you become useless as sidenoder as you can't keep the node. Also I like to play tempest from time to time, easier than weaver but still a solid option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme.3164 Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > > @"Yasai.3549" said: > > > > > No they aren't. > > > > > They have had their power level severely neutered, that much is true, but so did most of the Professions. > > > > > > > > > > Only few builds (not professions, builds) are left largely untouched and are truly thriving. > > > > > > > > I'd argue that ranger is truly the only profession I don't see spammed left and right anylonger, I'd say that at best you can reach gold 3 on ranger with good luck on yourside and playing just +1 zerk core hit and run. Not enough sustain for anything else really atm on ranger, they gutted any possibility for a competitive duellist. > > > > > > > > With all the buffs to mobility, pretty much any class can keep up with a ranger trying to kite away and that was the main source of sustain for ranger with the other being the GS block which has been severely nerfed to uselness, it's the only source of blocking on the class and now the long CD made it that much worst. > > > > > > > > I really don't see nearly as many rangers as before...actually I see many more eles than rangers now and it's a first, the best PvP build for the class is rated as good for max Gold rank so...I don't think my thread is that wrong > > > > > > I dont know man, when Im on ranger I get 3x to 4x the healing I get usually on mesmer, often even get most healing in team. > > > as for ranger block, its still one of the best if not the best in the entire game. You are just used to old block which was so kitten broken it was better then the best defensive skills of other classes, and in fact it was so kitten OP, it was usually better then 2 to 3 other defensive skills combined. > > > Like yes, ranger is not the hot stuff meta OP like other kitten builds going around but its not bad either. Proj hate going around and bunker healer kitten really hurts the ranger RN but it might change any moment. > > > > Well I have said that you can reach gold 3 with the class so yeah...it's playable but definitely not META, in the last couple of months they were like 0 ranger both in NA and EU mats semi and finals that must mean something. And yeah the projectile hate really hurts , I hope next elite will offers a different playstyle > > my ranger is not even 30 days old and im gold 3 while duo - queueing with another friend that also plays class that he doesnt know how to play. > ranger can definitely reach higher ranks, wont be too hard to push past p1/p2 > in the end it will boil down to meta being bad for ranger, from renegade and guards proj hate, inability to stop support warrior from bannering reliably and getting kitten on by random DH trap and DH in general doing better. Cant cleave or stomp right hurts the ranger, why not play dh, throw a spinny sword and get 20k dmg. Ranger is a low skill ceiling class as such it will do good at average and below skill level. Most nerfs were on point...others were rather questionable and they could have improved other aspects of Soulbeast but refused to do so, something like stance sharing increased to 100%, it would made the spec that much more useful in PvP outside the +1 role ( which can be covered as easily by other specs) The dolyak stance CD nerf was overkill , they could have removed the dmg/condi reduction effect and leave the important stability but right now at 60s CD, it makes it rather bad Finally the CD nerf on druid staff was really unnecessary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megametzler.5729 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > > > @"Yasai.3549" said: > > > > > > No they aren't. > > > > > > They have had their power level severely neutered, that much is true, but so did most of the Professions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Only few builds (not professions, builds) are left largely untouched and are truly thriving. > > > > > > > > > > I'd argue that ranger is truly the only profession I don't see spammed left and right anylonger, I'd say that at best you can reach gold 3 on ranger with good luck on yourside and playing just +1 zerk core hit and run. Not enough sustain for anything else really atm on ranger, they gutted any possibility for a competitive duellist. > > > > > > > > > > With all the buffs to mobility, pretty much any class can keep up with a ranger trying to kite away and that was the main source of sustain for ranger with the other being the GS block which has been severely nerfed to uselness, it's the only source of blocking on the class and now the long CD made it that much worst. > > > > > > > > > > I really don't see nearly as many rangers as before...actually I see many more eles than rangers now and it's a first, the best PvP build for the class is rated as good for max Gold rank so...I don't think my thread is that wrong > > > > > > > > I dont know man, when Im on ranger I get 3x to 4x the healing I get usually on mesmer, often even get most healing in team. > > > > as for ranger block, its still one of the best if not the best in the entire game. You are just used to old block which was so kitten broken it was better then the best defensive skills of other classes, and in fact it was so kitten OP, it was usually better then 2 to 3 other defensive skills combined. > > > > Like yes, ranger is not the hot stuff meta OP like other kitten builds going around but its not bad either. Proj hate going around and bunker healer kitten really hurts the ranger RN but it might change any moment. > > > > > > Well I have said that you can reach gold 3 with the class so yeah...it's playable but definitely not META, in the last couple of months they were like 0 ranger both in NA and EU mats semi and finals that must mean something. And yeah the projectile hate really hurts , I hope next elite will offers a different playstyle > > > > my ranger is not even 30 days old and im gold 3 while duo - queueing with another friend that also plays class that he doesnt know how to play. > > ranger can definitely reach higher ranks, wont be too hard to push past p1/p2 > > in the end it will boil down to meta being bad for ranger, from renegade and guards proj hate, inability to stop support warrior from bannering reliably and getting kitten on by random DH trap and DH in general doing better. Cant cleave or stomp right hurts the ranger, why not play dh, throw a spinny sword and get 20k dmg. > > Ranger is a low skill ceiling class as such it will do good at average and below skill level. Most nerfs were on point...(...) Apart from mATs, where it struggles in coordinated bursts, and apart from druid: Core ranger is played incredibly often in high plat. Druids too, some soulbeasts with memes as well. No idea where you got your numbers. I will take statistics for a few days and post them here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme.3164 Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 > @"Megametzler.5729" said: > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > > > > @"Yasai.3549" said: > > > > > > > No they aren't. > > > > > > > They have had their power level severely neutered, that much is true, but so did most of the Professions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only few builds (not professions, builds) are left largely untouched and are truly thriving. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd argue that ranger is truly the only profession I don't see spammed left and right anylonger, I'd say that at best you can reach gold 3 on ranger with good luck on yourside and playing just +1 zerk core hit and run. Not enough sustain for anything else really atm on ranger, they gutted any possibility for a competitive duellist. > > > > > > > > > > > > With all the buffs to mobility, pretty much any class can keep up with a ranger trying to kite away and that was the main source of sustain for ranger with the other being the GS block which has been severely nerfed to uselness, it's the only source of blocking on the class and now the long CD made it that much worst. > > > > > > > > > > > > I really don't see nearly as many rangers as before...actually I see many more eles than rangers now and it's a first, the best PvP build for the class is rated as good for max Gold rank so...I don't think my thread is that wrong > > > > > > > > > > I dont know man, when Im on ranger I get 3x to 4x the healing I get usually on mesmer, often even get most healing in team. > > > > > as for ranger block, its still one of the best if not the best in the entire game. You are just used to old block which was so kitten broken it was better then the best defensive skills of other classes, and in fact it was so kitten OP, it was usually better then 2 to 3 other defensive skills combined. > > > > > Like yes, ranger is not the hot stuff meta OP like other kitten builds going around but its not bad either. Proj hate going around and bunker healer kitten really hurts the ranger RN but it might change any moment. > > > > > > > > Well I have said that you can reach gold 3 with the class so yeah...it's playable but definitely not META, in the last couple of months they were like 0 ranger both in NA and EU mats semi and finals that must mean something. And yeah the projectile hate really hurts , I hope next elite will offers a different playstyle > > > > > > my ranger is not even 30 days old and im gold 3 while duo - queueing with another friend that also plays class that he doesnt know how to play. > > > ranger can definitely reach higher ranks, wont be too hard to push past p1/p2 > > > in the end it will boil down to meta being bad for ranger, from renegade and guards proj hate, inability to stop support warrior from bannering reliably and getting kitten on by random DH trap and DH in general doing better. Cant cleave or stomp right hurts the ranger, why not play dh, throw a spinny sword and get 20k dmg. > > > > Ranger is a low skill ceiling class as such it will do good at average and below skill level. Most nerfs were on point...(...) > > Apart from mATs, where it struggles in coordinated bursts, and apart from druid: Core ranger is played incredibly often in high plat. Druids too, some soulbeasts with memes as well. > > No idea where you got your numbers. I will take statistics for a few days and post them here. I never considered ranked as any indication of balance and class distribution, I repeat that ranger is a low skill ceiling class that will do good at average and below skill level and nobody ever said that Platinum is free from average and below skill level. I mostly consider MATS and again I never stated even once that the class was unplayable so I don't know why people act like I did. Also statistics don't work based on the results of a single individual out of thousand others, it is why MAT represents a better source of information....no room for average skill level there am I right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megametzler.5729 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > @"Megametzler.5729" said: > > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > > > > > @"Yasai.3549" said: > > > > > > > > No they aren't. > > > > > > > > They have had their power level severely neutered, that much is true, but so did most of the Professions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only few builds (not professions, builds) are left largely untouched and are truly thriving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd argue that ranger is truly the only profession I don't see spammed left and right anylonger, I'd say that at best you can reach gold 3 on ranger with good luck on yourside and playing just +1 zerk core hit and run. Not enough sustain for anything else really atm on ranger, they gutted any possibility for a competitive duellist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With all the buffs to mobility, pretty much any class can keep up with a ranger trying to kite away and that was the main source of sustain for ranger with the other being the GS block which has been severely nerfed to uselness, it's the only source of blocking on the class and now the long CD made it that much worst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I really don't see nearly as many rangers as before...actually I see many more eles than rangers now and it's a first, the best PvP build for the class is rated as good for max Gold rank so...I don't think my thread is that wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know man, when Im on ranger I get 3x to 4x the healing I get usually on mesmer, often even get most healing in team. > > > > > > as for ranger block, its still one of the best if not the best in the entire game. You are just used to old block which was so kitten broken it was better then the best defensive skills of other classes, and in fact it was so kitten OP, it was usually better then 2 to 3 other defensive skills combined. > > > > > > Like yes, ranger is not the hot stuff meta OP like other kitten builds going around but its not bad either. Proj hate going around and bunker healer kitten really hurts the ranger RN but it might change any moment. > > > > > > > > > > Well I have said that you can reach gold 3 with the class so yeah...it's playable but definitely not META, in the last couple of months they were like 0 ranger both in NA and EU mats semi and finals that must mean something. And yeah the projectile hate really hurts , I hope next elite will offers a different playstyle > > > > > > > > my ranger is not even 30 days old and im gold 3 while duo - queueing with another friend that also plays class that he doesnt know how to play. > > > > ranger can definitely reach higher ranks, wont be too hard to push past p1/p2 > > > > in the end it will boil down to meta being bad for ranger, from renegade and guards proj hate, inability to stop support warrior from bannering reliably and getting kitten on by random DH trap and DH in general doing better. Cant cleave or stomp right hurts the ranger, why not play dh, throw a spinny sword and get 20k dmg. > > > > > > Ranger is a low skill ceiling class as such it will do good at average and below skill level. Most nerfs were on point...(...) > > > > Apart from mATs, where it struggles in coordinated bursts, and apart from druid: Core ranger is played incredibly often in high plat. Druids too, some soulbeasts with memes as well. > > > > No idea where you got your numbers. I will take statistics for a few days and post them here. > > I never considered ranked as any indication of balance and class distribution, I repeat that ranger is a low skill ceiling class that will do good at average and below skill level and **nobody ever said that Platinum is free from average and below skill level**. > (...) What do you mean here? There is plenty of ranger players in Top100. It suffers in coordinated team games - not talking about druid -, but it needs no buffs. Adjustments, maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme.3164 Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 > @"Megametzler.5729" said: > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > @"Megametzler.5729" said: > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Yasai.3549" said: > > > > > > > > > No they aren't. > > > > > > > > > They have had their power level severely neutered, that much is true, but so did most of the Professions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only few builds (not professions, builds) are left largely untouched and are truly thriving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd argue that ranger is truly the only profession I don't see spammed left and right anylonger, I'd say that at best you can reach gold 3 on ranger with good luck on yourside and playing just +1 zerk core hit and run. Not enough sustain for anything else really atm on ranger, they gutted any possibility for a competitive duellist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With all the buffs to mobility, pretty much any class can keep up with a ranger trying to kite away and that was the main source of sustain for ranger with the other being the GS block which has been severely nerfed to uselness, it's the only source of blocking on the class and now the long CD made it that much worst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I really don't see nearly as many rangers as before...actually I see many more eles than rangers now and it's a first, the best PvP build for the class is rated as good for max Gold rank so...I don't think my thread is that wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know man, when Im on ranger I get 3x to 4x the healing I get usually on mesmer, often even get most healing in team. > > > > > > > as for ranger block, its still one of the best if not the best in the entire game. You are just used to old block which was so kitten broken it was better then the best defensive skills of other classes, and in fact it was so kitten OP, it was usually better then 2 to 3 other defensive skills combined. > > > > > > > Like yes, ranger is not the hot stuff meta OP like other kitten builds going around but its not bad either. Proj hate going around and bunker healer kitten really hurts the ranger RN but it might change any moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > Well I have said that you can reach gold 3 with the class so yeah...it's playable but definitely not META, in the last couple of months they were like 0 ranger both in NA and EU mats semi and finals that must mean something. And yeah the projectile hate really hurts , I hope next elite will offers a different playstyle > > > > > > > > > > my ranger is not even 30 days old and im gold 3 while duo - queueing with another friend that also plays class that he doesnt know how to play. > > > > > ranger can definitely reach higher ranks, wont be too hard to push past p1/p2 > > > > > in the end it will boil down to meta being bad for ranger, from renegade and guards proj hate, inability to stop support warrior from bannering reliably and getting kitten on by random DH trap and DH in general doing better. Cant cleave or stomp right hurts the ranger, why not play dh, throw a spinny sword and get 20k dmg. > > > > > > > > Ranger is a low skill ceiling class as such it will do good at average and below skill level. Most nerfs were on point...(...) > > > > > > Apart from mATs, where it struggles in coordinated bursts, and apart from druid: Core ranger is played incredibly often in high plat. Druids too, some soulbeasts with memes as well. > > > > > > No idea where you got your numbers. I will take statistics for a few days and post them here. > > > > I never considered ranked as any indication of balance and class distribution, I repeat that ranger is a low skill ceiling class that will do good at average and below skill level and **nobody ever said that Platinum is free from average and below skill level**. > > (...) > > What do you mean here? There is plenty of ranger players in Top100. It suffers in coordinated team games - not talking about druid -, but it needs no buffs. Adjustments, maybe. > In simpler terms : Ranger is a noob stomper class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalisto.5780 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > @"Megametzler.5729" said: > > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > > > > > @"Yasai.3549" said: > > > > > > > > No they aren't. > > > > > > > > They have had their power level severely neutered, that much is true, but so did most of the Professions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only few builds (not professions, builds) are left largely untouched and are truly thriving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd argue that ranger is truly the only profession I don't see spammed left and right anylonger, I'd say that at best you can reach gold 3 on ranger with good luck on yourside and playing just +1 zerk core hit and run. Not enough sustain for anything else really atm on ranger, they gutted any possibility for a competitive duellist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With all the buffs to mobility, pretty much any class can keep up with a ranger trying to kite away and that was the main source of sustain for ranger with the other being the GS block which has been severely nerfed to uselness, it's the only source of blocking on the class and now the long CD made it that much worst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I really don't see nearly as many rangers as before...actually I see many more eles than rangers now and it's a first, the best PvP build for the class is rated as good for max Gold rank so...I don't think my thread is that wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know man, when Im on ranger I get 3x to 4x the healing I get usually on mesmer, often even get most healing in team. > > > > > > as for ranger block, its still one of the best if not the best in the entire game. You are just used to old block which was so kitten broken it was better then the best defensive skills of other classes, and in fact it was so kitten OP, it was usually better then 2 to 3 other defensive skills combined. > > > > > > Like yes, ranger is not the hot stuff meta OP like other kitten builds going around but its not bad either. Proj hate going around and bunker healer kitten really hurts the ranger RN but it might change any moment. > > > > > > > > > > Well I have said that you can reach gold 3 with the class so yeah...it's playable but definitely not META, in the last couple of months they were like 0 ranger both in NA and EU mats semi and finals that must mean something. And yeah the projectile hate really hurts , I hope next elite will offers a different playstyle > > > > > > > > my ranger is not even 30 days old and im gold 3 while duo - queueing with another friend that also plays class that he doesnt know how to play. > > > > ranger can definitely reach higher ranks, wont be too hard to push past p1/p2 > > > > in the end it will boil down to meta being bad for ranger, from renegade and guards proj hate, inability to stop support warrior from bannering reliably and getting kitten on by random DH trap and DH in general doing better. Cant cleave or stomp right hurts the ranger, why not play dh, throw a spinny sword and get 20k dmg. > > > > > > Ranger is a low skill ceiling class as such it will do good at average and below skill level. Most nerfs were on point...(...) > > > > Apart from mATs, where it struggles in coordinated bursts, and apart from druid: Core ranger is played incredibly often in high plat. Druids too, some soulbeasts with memes as well. > > > > No idea where you got your numbers. I will take statistics for a few days and post them here. > > I never considered ranked as any indication of balance and class distribution, I repeat that ranger is a low skill ceiling class that will do good at average and below skill level and nobody ever said that Platinum is free from average and below skill level. > > I mostly consider MATS and again I never stated even once that the class was unplayable so I don't know why people act like I did. > > Also statistics don't work based on the results of a single individual out of thousand others, it is why MAT represents a better source of information....no room for average skill level there am I right? I think that is not a good way to see things, builds in mATs are broken or borderline broken and the ones that don't lie in thia categories are the ones with very specif capabilities like thieves were. There also a case where a build has big value in ATs but is not that good in a non coordinated environment, like 0 damage bunkers But well, this is only my opinion, mAT is a very specific thing that combining EU and NA 50 players won it last year, and prolly 8 different builds are played at finals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > @"Megametzler.5729" said: > > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > @"Megametzler.5729" said: > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Yasai.3549" said: > > > > > > > > > > No they aren't. > > > > > > > > > > They have had their power level severely neutered, that much is true, but so did most of the Professions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only few builds (not professions, builds) are left largely untouched and are truly thriving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd argue that ranger is truly the only profession I don't see spammed left and right anylonger, I'd say that at best you can reach gold 3 on ranger with good luck on yourside and playing just +1 zerk core hit and run. Not enough sustain for anything else really atm on ranger, they gutted any possibility for a competitive duellist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With all the buffs to mobility, pretty much any class can keep up with a ranger trying to kite away and that was the main source of sustain for ranger with the other being the GS block which has been severely nerfed to uselness, it's the only source of blocking on the class and now the long CD made it that much worst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I really don't see nearly as many rangers as before...actually I see many more eles than rangers now and it's a first, the best PvP build for the class is rated as good for max Gold rank so...I don't think my thread is that wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know man, when Im on ranger I get 3x to 4x the healing I get usually on mesmer, often even get most healing in team. > > > > > > > > as for ranger block, its still one of the best if not the best in the entire game. You are just used to old block which was so kitten broken it was better then the best defensive skills of other classes, and in fact it was so kitten OP, it was usually better then 2 to 3 other defensive skills combined. > > > > > > > > Like yes, ranger is not the hot stuff meta OP like other kitten builds going around but its not bad either. Proj hate going around and bunker healer kitten really hurts the ranger RN but it might change any moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well I have said that you can reach gold 3 with the class so yeah...it's playable but definitely not META, in the last couple of months they were like 0 ranger both in NA and EU mats semi and finals that must mean something. And yeah the projectile hate really hurts , I hope next elite will offers a different playstyle > > > > > > > > > > > > my ranger is not even 30 days old and im gold 3 while duo - queueing with another friend that also plays class that he doesnt know how to play. > > > > > > ranger can definitely reach higher ranks, wont be too hard to push past p1/p2 > > > > > > in the end it will boil down to meta being bad for ranger, from renegade and guards proj hate, inability to stop support warrior from bannering reliably and getting kitten on by random DH trap and DH in general doing better. Cant cleave or stomp right hurts the ranger, why not play dh, throw a spinny sword and get 20k dmg. > > > > > > > > > > Ranger is a low skill ceiling class as such it will do good at average and below skill level. Most nerfs were on point...(...) > > > > > > > > Apart from mATs, where it struggles in coordinated bursts, and apart from druid: Core ranger is played incredibly often in high plat. Druids too, some soulbeasts with memes as well. > > > > > > > > No idea where you got your numbers. I will take statistics for a few days and post them here. > > > > > > I never considered ranked as any indication of balance and class distribution, I repeat that ranger is a low skill ceiling class that will do good at average and below skill level and **nobody ever said that Platinum is free from average and below skill level**. > > > (...) > > > > What do you mean here? There is plenty of ranger players in Top100. It suffers in coordinated team games - not talking about druid -, but it needs no buffs. Adjustments, maybe. > > > > In simpler terms : Ranger is a noob stomper class since when plat 2 + are noobs? aka new players ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apharma.3741 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Honestly this post highlights a serious issue, that soulbeast in WvW needs to be brought much closer to PvP and should be nerfed in WvW. Not joking, PvP and WvW balance should be incredibly close in my opinion, most things that are too strong in one mode can be changed in a way that fixes it in one mode and is no change to the other....assuming the skills team graciously allows the balance team to make a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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