Moirg.7560 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 A bunker meta is the least interactive possible and it's back and worse than ever season 17. Bunker meta is literally like hitting a moving target dummy all match. It's uninteractive and results in a bland gameplay experience. The game's at an all time low; 2-3 bunkers per match and nothing dies with <5 kills per game. I'd rather have it on the other extreme end with a 1 shot meta... at least the adrenaline gets going a little in anticipation of who presses X key first. Not even going to finish my placements this season. Can't even go to WvW to PvP anymore with the introduction of triple-dodge perma superspeed CC/snare/root immune war kitten.~ Finished ~1650 last season so I doubt it's a L2P issue It's great that it's playable again, but to start I'd suggest buffing scrapper damage and nerfing sustain; this seems to be the root of the problem. Your thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcbroe.4329 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 There's nothing wrong with a bruiser/bunker meta when they can kill each other, and in a reasonable amount of time. I don't believe that is the current situation right now though. Everything is entirely overtuned and needs to be brought down in power across the board right now. Small but significant thing; it's only season 16: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/pvp-league-season-16-begins-next-week/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 1 shot meta is the worst. at least in bunker meta you have time to press skills, and random brain deads cant creep out of the wood work and land some cheap instakill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sampson.2403 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 reduce shackling wave cast time by 50% and increase death strike damage by 100% and there will be no more bunker meta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 > @"Sampson.2403" said: > reduce shackling wave cast time by 50% and increase death strike damage by 100% and there will be no more bunker meta nah give all hammers 25% armor penetration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnfall.9573 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 > @"Stand The Wall.6987" said: > 1 shot meta is the worst. at least in bunker meta you have time to press skills, and random brain deads cant creep out of the wood work and land some cheap instakill. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorQ.7041 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Man the bunkers are so strong they are immortal. Just play it and win. Takes 50 mins to kill on..... Oh wait https://youtu.be/mI80zsNaW0M What's this? Oh wait I don't care that there builds out there that can kill it. Still op. Don't care what video or evidence. Still bunker op. What's that? You can out rotate? Na don't care still op. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SexyMofo.8923 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Remember when we had a bunker meta and the scores ended in a 0-0 tie? Those were the most boring games to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quadox.7834 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 > @"Stand The Wall.6987" said: > 1 shot meta is the worst. at least in bunker meta you have time to press skills, and random brain deads cant creep out of the wood work and land some cheap instakill. Of course, there is no middleground between tanking indefinitely and oneshotting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aenaos.8160 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Remove all vitality and toughness form sPvP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 > @"Quadox.7834" said: > > @"Stand The Wall.6987" said: > > 1 shot meta is the worst. at least in bunker meta you have time to press skills, and random brain deads cant creep out of the wood work and land some cheap instakill. > > Of course, there is no middleground between tanking indefinitely and oneshotting. as anet has proven, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quadox.7834 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 > @"Stand The Wall.6987" said: > > @"Quadox.7834" said: > > > @"Stand The Wall.6987" said: > > > 1 shot meta is the worst. at least in bunker meta you have time to press skills, and random brain deads cant creep out of the wood work and land some cheap instakill. > > > > Of course, there is no middleground between tanking indefinitely and oneshotting. > > as anet has proven, no. Not rly true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Order.7258 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 > @"SexyMofo.8923" said: > Remember when we had a bunker meta and the scores ended in a 0-0 tie? Those were the most boring games to watch. You act like people still watch this shitty gamemode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortrialus.3062 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 What if we just deleted everyone's Heal Skill and bumped up everyone's health pools 2-4x to compensate so the only healing in the game requires dedicated weapon sets and utility skills? That way everyone's ability to repeatedly resustain a fight is significantly hampered, and even tanky builds will run out of steam eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilyanna.9361 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 > @"mortrialus.3062" said: > What if we just deleted everyone's Heal Skill and bumped up everyone's health pools 2-4x to compensate so the only healing in the game requires dedicated weapon sets and utility skills? That way everyone's ability to repeatedly resustain a fight is significantly hampered, and even tanky builds will run out of steam eventually. OR. Anet can just admit they fcked up and they can actually do the proper thing of making classes fall under the good ol triad of tank, healing, and dps in pvp. Healer give you the bigger heals and boons, Tanks become the sponges and cc juggernauts, and DPS becomes the assassins that do not get sustain unless they rely on things like combos, stealth, and mobility. Idk why they thought it was a good plan to hybridize EVERYTHING just to 'stand out' from other mmos. They already stand out enough with their combat style and WvW alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 > @"Quadox.7834" said: > > @"Stand The Wall.6987" said: > > 1 shot meta is the worst. at least in bunker meta you have time to press skills, and random brain deads cant creep out of the wood work and land some cheap instakill. > > Of course, there is no middleground between tanking indefinitely and oneshotting. *Sip tea* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multicolorhipster.9751 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 > @"Shadow Order.7258" said: > > @"SexyMofo.8923" said: > > Remember when we had a bunker meta and the scores ended in a 0-0 tie? Those were the most boring games to watch. > > You act like people still watch this kitten gamemode. They mean before, when the first bunker meta killed any hope of a competitive esports scene for sPvP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curennos.9307 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 "There's a bunker meta." "No there isn't, have a video where I pewpew people who don't know how to press a button. Any button, actually. This proves something, somehow." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurantien.4632 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 This is season 16. Also not a bunker meta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigo.9037 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 > @"TorQ.7041" said: > Man the bunkers are so strong they are immortal. Just play it and win. Takes 50 mins to kill on..... Oh wait > > https://youtu.be/mI80zsNaW0M > > What's this? > > Oh wait I don't care that there builds out there that can kill it. Still op. Don't care what video or evidence. Still bunker op. > > What's that? You can out rotate? > > Na don't care still op. Just because some gold tier newbies can't dodge doesn't mean this build is op. I can hardly achieve 5k crits on scrappers.. when they aren't evade / block chaining endlessly. As someone suggested, remove heal skills or better yet just increase their cool down to like 60 seconds. Increase the time by 40s so a 20s heal cd would be 60s instead. This way you still don't need a healer just te recover after a fight but perma sustain isn't a thing either. Oh and while they are at it, nerf spike dmg too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marxx.5021 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 It is more like a random meta. Some specs having op skills not balanced for PvP at all on both ends defensive and offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazsi.2734 Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 I'd also like to say that the bunker meta is terrible, it's just that I can't see it. Started playing ranked again only a few hours ago, and 20 matches in, every match I played was won by the more agressive (yolo-ish even) comp. Sustain and damage is both unreasonably high, the second you find an opening on the enemy bunker, it gets deleted in an instant. But I agree that with the recent buffs to scrapper and the ongoing nerfs to the glass cannon builds, we could arrive at a true bunker meta with the next patch. So please dont do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephiroth.4217 Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 > @"Aenaos.8160" said: > Remove all vitality and toughness form sPvP. My Tempest looks at your comment and shakes it's head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasher.6580 Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 > @"sephiroth.4217" said: > > @"Aenaos.8160" said: > > Remove all vitality and toughness form sPvP. > > My Tempest looks at your comment and shakes it's head. This... support tempest is really weak right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancho.8750 Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 All i see is people not wanting to adjust for the situation. So now the big bunker is scrapper, think about what it weakness is..... ding ding ding cc with some power pressure and since it is a bunker and its whole point is to stall people you need +1 so you take the best cc right now with holo and someone with damage to land the killing blow. I'm not saying that scrapper doesn't need some numbers adjustments on gyros but you can still apply +1 to play around it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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