Barnesy.5839 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 The patch has just arrived, and I tested warrior's Cunning. Warrior's Cunning applies the full +50% damage bonus to a target's health bar even if they only have a tiny amount of barrier. Anet, I'm not sure how you managed to allow such a broken mechanic into this patch. RIP scrappers and anyone else unfortunate enough to recieve a small amount of barrier. Please fix this by applying the +50% damage bonus only to the barrier. For example: If a target has 150 barrier, it will require damage 100 damage to destroy the barrier (100 * 1.5 = 150) and then any excess damage does not recieve the bonus +50% damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ButterPeanut.9746 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Based on reading the trait, I believe that is the intended effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Disgrace.4275 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 That's what I read too, 1 hp barrier or 30k, you have barrier up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Fear.1624 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Sounds good to me. I hated they introduced barrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Yeah I'm hoping alot of warriors run it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighter.5631 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 and? what broken build you are running it with? tell me the build, i need to know. because im dumb and can't think of any at the moment. appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanAlcedo.3281 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 And the unjustified QQ starts. Lets wait for cropped pics of 55K hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 > @"DanAlcedo.3281" said: > And the unjustified QQ starts. Lets wait for cropped pics of 55K hits. > OP prob hasn't logged in yet to test and is just upset about the change due to a warrior stealing his birthday or somthing so wants to do what he can to make sure his barrier spamming isn't threatened lok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnesy.5839 Posted October 1, 2019 Author Share Posted October 1, 2019 > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > OP prob hasn't logged in yet to test and is just upset about the change due to a warrior stealing his birthday or somthing so wants to do what he can to make sure his barrier spamming isn't threatened lok I don't play builds with barrier. This won't directly effect me. Having a single trait which makes an entire elite specialization useless (scapper) is poor game design. Any warrior who sees a scrapper on the opposing team during pre-game will simply choose this trait. Thus scrappers are now completely unviable in competative PVP. I would prefer gw2 to have _more_ build diversity, not less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 > @"Barnesy.5839" said: > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > OP prob hasn't logged in yet to test and is just upset about the change due to a warrior stealing his birthday or somthing so wants to do what he can to make sure his barrier spamming isn't threatened lok > > I don't play builds with barrier. This won't directly effect me. > > Having a single trait which makes an entire elite specialization useless (scapper) is poor game design. Any warrior who sees a scrapper on the opposing team during pre-game will simply choose this trait. Thus scrapper are now completely unviable in competative PVP. I would prefer gw2 to have _more_ build diversity, not less. Yeah we'll just see how useless those classes become. Much exaggeration going on I think but we will just have to wait and see :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighter.5631 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 > @"Barnesy.5839" said: > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > OP prob hasn't logged in yet to test and is just upset about the change due to a warrior stealing his birthday or somthing so wants to do what he can to make sure his barrier spamming isn't threatened lok > > I don't play builds with barrier. This won't directly effect me. > > Having a single trait which makes an entire elite specialization useless (scapper) is poor game design. Any warrior who sees a scrapper on the opposing team during pre-game will simply choose this trait. Thus scrappers are now completely unviable in competative PVP. I would prefer gw2 to have _more_ build diversity, not less. losing 50% damage from other line, so u can do 50% damage to barrier is not very smart to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apharma.3741 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Not even an hour after the patch hit people are already complaining. Grow up and enjoy a few days of having different stuff floating around instead of the same 8 builds we've had for more than a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marxx.5021 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Please make it 100%. I still can't one-shot tanky classes like warrior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant.7206 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 > @"Fat Disgrace.4275" said: > That's what I read too, 1 hp barrier or 30k, you have barrier up Which is sad, because I'm pretty sure the 1 barrier bug for scrappers is still around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tycura.1982 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 > @"Lighter.5631" said: > and? what broken build you are running it with? tell me the build, i need to know. because im dumb and can't think of any at the moment. appreciated. Strength line has the most synergy if you don't mind giving up spellborker. I think it's a very complimentary line but I wouldn't run it over strength or defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigmoid.7082 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 I swear opportunity cost doesn't exist in some peoples minds unless it's something they are forced to choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyPuppy.8970 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Please dont give me barrier when a War is around. I'm fine without it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedShark.9548 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 ppl scared of warriors using that traitline have never played warrior. damage oriented warrior have almost no synergy with tactic, or rather have traitlines with way better synergies. one of you who are oh so scared of that trait, PLEASE post a warrior build with warriors cunning. i will tell you why its bad and why there are better options. only some meme warriors will use that, get 1/10 ppl down and make a montage out of it. and 9/10 ppl will laugh at them for being so useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arheundel.6451 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 > @"Barnesy.5839" said: > The patch has just arrived, and I tested warrior's Cunning. Warrior's Cunning applies the full +50% damage bonus to a target's health bar even if they only have a tiny amount of barrier. > > Anet, I'm not sure how you managed to allow such a broken mechanic into this patch. RIP scrappers and anyone else unfortunate enough to recieve a small amount of barrier. > > Please fix this by applying the +50% damage bonus only to the barrier. For example: If a target has 150 barrier, it will require damage 100 damage to destroy the barrier (100 * 1.5 = 150) and then any excess damage does not recieve the bonus +50% damage. What would warrior give up for the trait? Meta warrios all run **Strength-Discipline** , now you either use **Defense or Spellbreaker** to have that well rounded spec we're all familiar with...what would warriors give up for **Tactics and Warrior's cunning**? Either way the resulting build would be an easy pick for everybody else...I doubt you'll see many wars running this in PvP outside specific matches where they're supported or in wvw as frontline burst. In the end the trait is in a traitline aimed for support...I wouldn't worry that much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alain.1659 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Does this bonus apply when you have provided a barrier by another person? If it does, than it is terrible. I cannot control other peoples skills and there are so many trolls in the game. If not, then its fine and dandy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedShark.9548 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 > @"alain.1659" said: > Does this bonus apply when you have provided a barrier by another person? If it does, than it is terrible. I cannot control other peoples skills and there are so many trolls in the game. If not, then its fine and dandy. It applies to every barrier, but as stated above, it just doesnt fit into any competent build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortrialus.3062 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Has anyone actually been hit by this or is everyone crying wolf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catchyfx.5768 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 > @"mortrialus.3062" said: > Has anyone actually been hit by this or is everyone crying wolf? Maybe some core war build, but ppl dont want to lose spellbreakers F2. Curious about this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yannir.4132 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 > @"Arheundel.6451" said: > What would warrior give up for the trait? > > Meta warrios all run **Strength-Discipline** , now you either use **Defense or Spellbreaker** to have that well rounded spec we're all familiar with...what would warriors give up for **Tactics and Warrior's cunning**? > > Either way the resulting build would be an easy pick for everybody else...I doubt you'll see many wars running this in PvP outside specific matches where they're supported or in wvw as frontline burst. > > In the end the trait is in a traitline aimed for support...I wouldn't worry that much Yeah, warriors running Tactics won't be the new meta. Dropping either Discipline or Strength or Spb is a no-go. You just give up way too much consistent damage even if you picked up that +50% vs barrier trait. It's too situational even if really good against 1 or 2 classes. Honestly the only thing I can imagine a Warrior dropping is Strength in the Core build, and even so it's unlikely to pick up Warrior's Cunning as picking Tactics would shift the focus of the build away from sidenoding and more into a teamfight DPS/offensive support in which Empower Allies is more valuable. Dunno if this would even work, haven't tested it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyMcB.1603 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 The trait is intended to be high health breaker. Totally a nice idea. But it's executed poorly. Barriers scale dynamically while the trait applies straight modifier. having 100 barrier, same armor but suddenly got 50% damage more first shot. I mean, that's obviously unbalanced. I think they should keep verything as is except that the barrier damage part only applies to barriers and bump it to 75%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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