zyra.7860 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Hi, this is the recent "Class tier list"-made by highest ranked PvP-players. E-specs have included to tiers. S tier (Meta) - Engi, Guard, Rev A tier (Very good)- Necro, Ele B tier - (Not good, not terrible) Thief, Ranger, Mesmer C tier (Useless tier) - Warrior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tharan.9085 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Imagine thinking thief is B tier, how biased are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave.6819 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 > @"Tharan.9085" said: > Imagine thinking thief is B tier, how biased are you? Shortbow 5 and dash carries it. Take those away and it's useless in pvp cuz it cant really be a teamfighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyra.7860 Posted September 11, 2020 Author Share Posted September 11, 2020 > @"Tharan.9085" said: > Imagine thinking thief is B tier, how biased are you? Thief is bad class, u cant win either engi, guard, rev, necro or ele in 1v1 if they equally skilled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tharan.9085 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 > @"zyra.7860" said: > > @"Tharan.9085" said: > > Imagine thinking thief is B tier, how biased are you? > > Thief is bad class, u cant win either engi, guard, rev, necro or ele in 1v1 if they equally skilled. Thief isnt a 1v1 class btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tharan.9085 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 > @"Dave.6819" said: > > @"Tharan.9085" said: > > Imagine thinking thief is B tier, how biased are you? > > Shortbow 5 and dash carries it. Take those away and it's useless in pvp cuz it cant really be a teamfighter. But those skills exist so it is far from useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrownyClown.8402 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 If you spend your time 1v1ing fights you wont win, you shouldnt be playing thief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyra.7860 Posted September 11, 2020 Author Share Posted September 11, 2020 > @"Tharan.9085" said: > > @"zyra.7860" said: > > > @"Tharan.9085" said: > > > Imagine thinking thief is B tier, how biased are you? > > > > Thief is bad class, u cant win either engi, guard, rev, necro or ele in 1v1 if they equally skilled. > > Thief isnt a 1v1 class btw Well my cousin who is plat 2 invented thief build that is 1v1 and he says also thief is 1v1 class but weak in that role with current meta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tharan.9085 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 > @"zyra.7860" said: > > @"Tharan.9085" said: > > > @"zyra.7860" said: > > > > @"Tharan.9085" said: > > > > Imagine thinking thief is B tier, how biased are you? > > > > > > Thief is bad class, u cant win either engi, guard, rev, necro or ele in 1v1 if they equally skilled. > > > > Thief isnt a 1v1 class btw > > Well my cousin who is plat 2 invented thief build that is 1v1 and he says also thief is 1v1 class but weak in that role with current meta. Your cousin created an Off Meta build in mid tier, thief isnt a 1v1 class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felix.2386 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Thief has it's own category and will always be meta because of it. even if become b tier. also thief can 1v1 just as much as everybody else, but you have to build for it like everybody else you can't just play high mobility gank builds and expect to 1v1 people. what makes thief not optimal for 1v1 only because stealth doesnt hold point. here's more accurate tier, in terms of best build. S ele (support tempest), engi (nade holo) A thief (d/p drd), rev (power), necro (reaper) A- guardian (symbol FB) B ranger (core LB/GS ranger), mesmer (carrion axe) C warrior(power spellbreaker) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uberkingkong.8041 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 > @"zyra.7860" said: > Hi, this is the recent "Class tier list"-made by highest ranked PvP-players. E-specs have included to tiers. > > S tier (Meta) - Engi, Guard, Rev > A tier (Very good)- Necro, Ele > B tier - (Not good, not terrible) Thief, Ranger, Mesmer > C tier (Useless tier) - Warrior To a degree I agree. ** _Only reason why some feel Meta is because the ones that are suppose to counter them are Useless._ ** Warrior can't 100blade that guy doing torment in peoples faces (every second is damage, 100b is BO BO BO BOOM) Warrior can't 100blade that guy that likes to build shroud then get in peoples face (no warrior to eat his shroud with his 100 blades) I'm not sure what suggestions are here, but if you want to nerf that isn't the best route. BUFF the warrior and you'll see result. I aint talking about (oh make him cc more) I'm talking about what he was originally designed for. You get in his face stand next to him and just want to PBAE conditions on people. He's designed to MOP FLOOR with people who want to get close and stay in his face. Notice your not so good, they all range, because people can get away with getting in your face and just do PBAE's. You need someone who eats PBAE's players for breakfast. Make Warrior Great Again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zarcon.7820 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 > @"Tharan.9085" said: > > @"Dave.6819" said: > > > @"Tharan.9085" said: > > > Imagine thinking thief is B tier, how biased are you? > > > > Shortbow 5 and dash carries it. Take those away and it's useless in pvp cuz it cant really be a teamfighter. > > But those skills exist so it is far from useless You are stating the EXACT problem thief has. Two skills that make the class viable. Now that is a class worth playing! With the exception of those two skills you call "OP" lets name a list of things that are the opposite of OP. Auto attack: Thief has no cleaving potential at all. The thief can try but just ends up dieing BOT like AOE skills deal more dmg. The thief chases a target. but the enemy counterpressures running away deling twice the dmg a thief can do. Backstab: idk about the cd but it is a mistake from the beginning it feels laggy. Dmg from bs in pvp is to laugh at. Only possbility of hitting a target is when it stands still. Deadeye: Hahahahaha. Lets start with making DJ unblockable again as every other class has counter shit anyways. Im done typing for these morons. Feel free to add more points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silklash.6154 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Lmao anyone who thinks thief isn’t a tier shouldn’t be taken seriously. Then again, anyone who thinks thief is a 1v1 class also shouldn’t be taken seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiyo.3578 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 > @"zyra.7860" said: > Hi, this is the recent "Class tier list"-made by highest ranked PvP-players. E-specs have included to tiers. > > S tier (Meta) - Engi, Guard, Rev > A tier (Very good)- Necro, Ele > B tier - (Not good, not terrible) Thief, Ranger, Mesmer > C tier (Useless tier) - Warrior lol thief B tier. Guard S tier, my god, no. Tell this to any top10 player/best of the best AT team and see their reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimjack.8130 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 S : Thief Ele Engi A : Necro Rev B : Ranger Guardian C : Mesmer D : Warrior in no particular order in the tiers for competitive gameplay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazsi.2734 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 > @"Grimjack.8130" said: > S : Thief Ele Engi > A : Necro Rev > B : Ranger Guardian > C : Mesmer > D : Warrior > in no particular order in the tiers for competitive gameplay > @"zyra.7860" said: > Hi, this is the recent "Class tier list"-made by highest ranked PvP-players. E-specs have included to tiers. > > S tier (Meta) - Engi, Guard, Rev > A tier (Very good)- Necro, Ele > B tier - (Not good, not terrible) Thief, Ranger, Mesmer > C tier (Useless tier) - Warrior What is this, an 1v1 tierlist? Because it has nothing to do with conquest that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zawn.9647 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 imagine ranking thief in B :relaxed: a class that stealths for an eternity, teleports the entire map, bursts and interrupts and can use a condi spec that the only thing you need to do is press 3 seems a legit tier list LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave.6819 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 > @"Tharan.9085" said: > > @"Dave.6819" said: > > > @"Tharan.9085" said: > > > Imagine thinking thief is B tier, how biased are you? > > > > Shortbow 5 and dash carries it. Take those away and it's useless in pvp cuz it cant really be a teamfighter. > > But those skills exist so it is far from useless Yup. It will always stay in meta just cuz of mobility. Sometimes i just go naked and only with a shortbow and 1 traitline. It's a little annoying tho. It's like you are playing a racing game not a fighting game. I wish anet could do somethin to it so we could become teamfighters too. For now we're just sprinting all over the place capping decapping. Well not for now.. but for the past like 5 years lol. It's hard for those in WvW who are trying to roam and 1v1 though. Every class should have options for a 1v1 build. But in pvp yea.. just take shortbow5 and u r good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiyo.3578 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 > @"Dave.6819" said: > > @"Tharan.9085" said: > > > @"Dave.6819" said: > > > > @"Tharan.9085" said: > > > > Imagine thinking thief is B tier, how biased are you? > > > > > > Shortbow 5 and dash carries it. Take those away and it's useless in pvp cuz it cant really be a teamfighter. > > > > But those skills exist so it is far from useless > > Yup. It will always stay in meta just cuz of mobility. Sometimes i just go naked and only with a shortbow and 1 traitline. It's a little annoying tho. It's like you are playing a racing game not a fighting game. I wish anet could do somethin to it so we could become teamfighters too. For now we're just sprinting all over the place capping decapping. Well not for now.. but for the past like 5 years lol. > > It's hard for those in WvW who are trying to roam and 1v1 though. Every class should have options for a 1v1 build. But in pvp yea.. just take shortbow5 and u r good to go. S/D beats every class 1v1 except condi druid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anduriell.6280 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Warrior is fine, its a bruiser role and do its role very well. In the current meta bruisers dont have much of a role and thats why is perceived as low tier. This is the correct scale: S : Thief Ele Engi A : Necro Rev Guardian B : Druid Warrior C : Mesmer soulbeast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancho.8750 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 > @"Zawn.9647" said: > imagine ranking thief in B :relaxed: > a class that stealths for an eternity, teleports the entire map, bursts and interrupts > and can use a condi spec that the only thing you need to do is press 3 > > seems a legit tier list LOL Thief is S+ tier but is countered by the fact that it requires some thinking and the majority of thief players do not have that process unlocked and its effectiveness is downgraded to F tier. Majority of the people want thief nerfed out of existence not because it is OP but because they don't a thief on their team since that is like rolling dice if their thief will be winning the game or they will 4v5 the whole game. Basically thief has way too much power to control the game and fully undervalues the effort of the other 4 people since you can't cover for thieves like you can cover for other specks, cause thief has really unique position that nothing else can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiyo.3578 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Can people stop putting Ele in S tier? Playing support in ranked is one of the easiest ways to LOSE games and be incredibly frustrated. You will ALWAYS be dragged down by your weakest player(s) and not be able to carry them. Put "Tempest" not "ele", as they are not the same, and tempest is absurdly overpowered(In AT's only!) due to shock aura and glyph. Also, literally EVERY SINGLE tempest I fight in plat+(or play with) is earth and does less HPS than a pink moa. > @"Vancho.8750" said: > > @"Zawn.9647" said: > > imagine ranking thief in B :relaxed: > > a class that stealths for an eternity, teleports the entire map, bursts and interrupts > > and can use a condi spec that the only thing you need to do is press 3 > > > > seems a legit tier list LOL > Thief is S+ tier but is countered by the fact that it requires some thinking and the majority of thief players do not have that process unlocked and its effectiveness is downgraded to F tier. Majority of the people want thief nerfed out of existence not because it is OP but because they don't a thief on their team since that is like rolling dice if their thief will be winning the game or they will 4v5 the whole game. > Basically thief has way too much power to control the game and fully undervalues the effort of the other 4 people since you can't cover for thieves like you can cover for other specks, cause thief has really unique position that nothing else can do. > Most thieves play final destination 1v1 all game long with far. Real tier list for RANKED based on how impactful the class/build is in solo/duo queue. * S: Thief, Power Rev, Eng(Scrapper or Holo), literally any Necro build including randomly picking traits with your eyes closed * A: Ranger, Guardian, Renegade * B: Warrior * C: Any ele build * Plasma dispenser: Mesmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalisto.5780 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 > @"Bazsi.2734" said: > > @"Grimjack.8130" said: > > S : Thief Ele Engi > > A : Necro Rev > > B : Ranger Guardian > > C : Mesmer > > D : Warrior > > in no particular order in the tiers for competitive gameplay > > @"zyra.7860" said: > > Hi, this is the recent "Class tier list"-made by highest ranked PvP-players. E-specs have included to tiers. > > > > S tier (Meta) - Engi, Guard, Rev > > A tier (Very good)- Necro, Ele > > B tier - (Not good, not terrible) Thief, Ranger, Mesmer > > C tier (Useless tier) - Warrior > > What is this, an 1v1 tierlist? Because it has nothing to do with conquest that's for sure. How come, besides engi everything in S have limited v1 potential, like pretty sure that ele is tempest and thief inst a v1 class at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalisto.5780 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 > @"Shiyo.3578" said: > Can people stop putting Ele in S tier? Playing support in ranked is one of the easiest ways to LOSE games and be incredibly frustrated. You will ALWAYS be dragged down by your weakest player(s) and not be able to carry them. > > Put "Tempest" not "ele", as they are not the same, and tempest is absurdly overpowered(In AT's only!) due to shock aura and glyph. > > Also, literally EVERY SINGLE tempest I fight in plat+(or play with) is earth and does less HPS than a pink moa. > > > @"Vancho.8750" said: > > > @"Zawn.9647" said: > > > imagine ranking thief in B :relaxed: > > > a class that stealths for an eternity, teleports the entire map, bursts and interrupts > > > and can use a condi spec that the only thing you need to do is press 3 > > > > > > seems a legit tier list LOL > > Thief is S+ tier but is countered by the fact that it requires some thinking and the majority of thief players do not have that process unlocked and its effectiveness is downgraded to F tier. Majority of the people want thief nerfed out of existence not because it is OP but because they don't a thief on their team since that is like rolling dice if their thief will be winning the game or they will 4v5 the whole game. > > Basically thief has way too much power to control the game and fully undervalues the effort of the other 4 people since you can't cover for thieves like you can cover for other specks, cause thief has really unique position that nothing else can do. > > > > Most thieves play final destination 1v1 all game long with far. > > Real tier list for RANKED based on how impactful the class/build is in solo/duo queue. > > * S: Thief, Power Rev, Eng(Scrapper or Holo), literally any Necro build including randomly picking traits with your eyes closed > * A: Ranger, Guardian, Renegade > * B: Warrior > * C: Any ele build > * Plasma dispenser: Mesmer Title doesn't say it's Ranked class tier list, just class tier list, tempest one of the best picks in organized gameplay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 > @"TrollingDemigod.3041" said: > > @"zyra.7860" said: > > > @"Shiyo.3578" said: > > > > @"zyra.7860" said: > > > > Hi, this is the recent "Class tier list"-made by highest ranked PvP-players. E-specs have included to tiers. > > > > > > > > S tier (Meta) - Engi, Guard, Rev > > > > A tier (Very good)- Necro, Ele > > > > B tier - (Not good, not terrible) Thief, Ranger, Mesmer > > > > C tier (Useless tier) - Warrior > > > > > > lol thief B tier. Guard S tier, my god, no. Tell this to any top10 player/best of the best AT team and see their reaction. > > > > Your opinion is not relevant. This list was made together in meeting of current 5 top players, so i guess we dont need your opinion here. > > Ho? And who are these mighty top 5 players that put Thief in B tier? Me, I,Yours truly,myself and the author. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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