Doctor.1384 Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 This may just be my opinion but I dont like having all my damage coming from 2 skills, namely sword 4 and 5. Id rather off sword be nerfed than continue to have needlessly elaborate downgrades to a bunch of other parts of the power rev build like we got in the last balance update. Sword 4s damage should be put behind a block and made into a counter like it is with every other sword offhand for every other profession. This is just lazy design to try and prop power revs up into the meta by giving them east access to easy burst damage instead of taking the time to properly tweak the class so it stays viable. Id rather the entire class be rolled back to where it was prior to equilibrium removal and left there permanantly just so it remains stable and isnt messed up with anymore arbitrary damage buffs followed by a bunch of assorted nerfs that make the class sad and unrecognizable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Za Shaloc.3908 Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 I would rather have offhand sword nerfs than to have the rest of the class butchered as well, but I think sword 4 is fine. The cast time offers enough counterplay, but with quickness I suppose it does make it harder to counterplay (but this is not exclusive to Rev by any means, so I don't think the argument holds much ground). If they tune down the damage any more, I'd say they would need to increase its utility, like increasing the immob duration or reducing the cast time nack down a bit so it feels more fluid to use without quickness. Sword 5 to me is a bigger issue to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knighthonor.4061 Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 Wait sword 4 is the only thing about this class. Nvm. Nerf it, and then nerf what else? Nerf Salvation as well. Nerf Dwarf as well. That road thing is strong. Nerf it. I hope shiro and Herald get nerfed hard as well. Would make the other legends more useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.5684 Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 If this is a PvP issue, PvP wise power herald is okay now. No need for buffs or nerfs. PvE wise, why nerf off hand sword? Sword 2 and AA deal substantially more damage (considering CD). If anything, power rev needs a buff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucianTheAngelic.7054 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 Wants Offhand sword and Rev burst nerfed; wants Rev brought back to pre Equilibrium (instant cast strong burst skill) * *thinking* * Also it's not even like offhand sword 4/5 are your win condition or "all of your damage." There are **plenty** of ways to deal strong damage outside of those abilities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taobella.6597 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 not the dmg that make offhand sword strong it immobilize. locking someone down to take raw dmg is effective on any class :). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucianTheAngelic.7054 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 > @"Taobella.6597" said: > not the dmg that make offhand sword strong it immobilize. locking someone down to take raw dmg is effective on any class :). Also even more than this it’s the 600 range teleport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catchyfx.5768 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 Sword offhand and power meta are the only things keeping this class alive. Wanna see how do you wanna focus one target in teamfight with sw2 and sw3 :-). And our only instant teleport on sw5. Low energy cost too. Why invest to other offhands if you give 20 energy for beign killed by warrior with 12 sec of unblockable(hello shield 5). Sure nerf it but I dont bellieve there will be any buff elsewhere to compensate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucianDK.8615 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 Rev seriously lacks burst, its one of the reasons why its considered such a patetic pve class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonArkanio.6419 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 Well, for me OH Sword is a lazy design that should be scrapped - it's a copy-paste of OH Axe but on steroids. It's the laziest DPS filler I can think of tbh. You've got the point and I agree with it completely. OH Sword should be nerfed, so rest of Revenant doesn't have to get nerfed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narcx.3570 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 For the record, "the rest of the class" was nerfed before sw4/5 got reworked--not in an attempt to compensate for their strength... In fact, ohsw's rework was to compensate for the extreme damage gutting of skills like sw2/sotm/io/equilibrium, and to help catch rev back up to the pof powercreep, not the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucianTheAngelic.7054 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 > @"narcx.3570" said: > For the record, "the rest of the class" was nerfed before sw4/5 got reworked--not in an attempt to compensate for their strength... In fact, ohsw's rework was to compensate for the extreme damage gutting of skills like sw2/sotm/io/equilibrium, and to help catch rev back up to the pof powercreep, not the other way around. ^this. Also can't believe we're talking about nerfing OH sword when so many other classes are allowed to have extreme burst + stealth/survivability etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonewolf Kai.3682 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Sword 4 damage doesn’t really need nerfing. It is _*HIGHLY*_ telegraphed and really easy to avoid/dodge. What needs to be done to sword 4 is to bring back the block as a chain starter, with the option to end the block early for the damage/immobilize secondary skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buran.3796 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Nerf OH sword so we get kicked from the meta to make people appreciate how hopeless is this class in PvP outside a couple of predictable burst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucianDK.8615 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 people doesnt understand how terrible the revenant is. They have no noteworthy burst damage for pve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Ketsu.4569 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Many of us including top players have stated for a long time that Sword 4 should be reverted to what it was: A 2s block, followed by a much weaker version of what it is now. They could even revert some of the previous nerfs after doing this and the class would likely be fine. The current weapon set doesn't even make sense. Axe = DPS, Sword offhand = DPS, Shield = Pure defense. Sword offhand used to be a good mix of DPS and Defense with the only reason that it wasn't often used being because the old sword 5 was a trashcan skill that frequently would bug you into walls or randomly fail to do anything and just in general was awful. Sword only really needed the rework to affect sword 5 in the first place. The fact is until this happens people will continue to get oneshot by sword 4 and thus will continue to complain about rev. Honestly anet could make "Reverted sword 4 to pre-rework" the one and only balance change to rev in whatever the next patch is and it would be good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Ketsu.4569 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 > @"LucianDK.8615" said: > Rev seriously lacks burst, its one of the reasons why its considered such a patetic pve class. This thread is obviously about PvP balance, where sword 4 is overtuned and can oneshot certain classes at max might stacks. The only thing that is needed to fix PvE balance is damage based skill splits until every class has relatively similar DPS. It's so straightforward that it doesn't even deserve mention. They could legit keep sword offhand a thing in PvE by simply overbuffing sword 5 damage against monsters by 200% or whatever is needed to create a viable raid rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catchyfx.5768 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Still dont get the RevHate. I would say rev is one of the best classes you wanna play against. Shadow steps have casttimes and can be interupted(except Sw5 but dmg deals the second hit you can avoid easy). Almost every spell have casttime. No instafest like guard, mesmer, thief. and Sw4 with 25might deals lower dps then Gravedigger with same casttime :) but with gravedigger you can hit 5 targets and everybody get same hit, Sw4 = more targets lower dps. No need to nerf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vyncius.6105 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 buff condi builds and everyone will cry how bad rev is in pvp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phokus.8934 Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 > @"vyncius.6105" said: > buff condi builds and everyone will cry how bad rev is in pvp. Condi Mirage was largely overshadowing Rev. Now that Condi Mirage was toned down a bit, the mob moved onto power rev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinsrock.1702 Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 if you play a pvp match with a mes, which almost every game right now has 2 your entire gameplay has to be altered to only plus 1s and if theres a mid fight you have to really be careful with what you do, condis DO NOT need a buff they already have a condition in the game for EVERYTHING you can do in the game, you wana auto attack? Confusion, you want to move? Imob , stun, torment, or even fear, but WAIT THERE IS MORE!!!!!!!!!!! lets also make it so you cant attack while putting burning, poison and bleeding on you as well and then as soon as you clear them put them right back on lol conditions are fine where they are at, they are very strong and i would say unless your playing a ranger or spell breaker or guard your power class can be relatively useless " this is not me saying other power builds cant win its more saying that you really have to know what your doing" all in all i think the game just overall needs a 100 percent tone down for dmg, but then we will enter the bunker meta which isnt that fun either so its pick and choose, have a lovely day :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yasai.3549 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 We can make Sword 4 into a legend stance. Just think bout it. Legendary Shackling Wave Stance. Channel the might of Legendary Sword 4, Shackling Wave. Heal : I don't need heal, I'm not a pussy Utility 1 : Breaks stun and cast Shackling Wave in the direction of the person who inflicted the CC Utility 2 : Shackling Wave in a 400 AoE Utility 3 : Shadowstep to the target and cast Shackling Wave Elite : Upkeep skill to cast Shackling Wave every auto attack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knighthonor.4061 Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Honestly just nerf this skill into the ground and get it over with. Iam ready to move on to other things. Too much complaining about this skill. Just do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucianTheAngelic.7054 Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 > @"Knighthonor.4061" said: > Honestly just nerf this skill into the ground and get it over with. Iam ready to move on to other things. Too much complaining about this skill. Just do it. This is a pre-patch thread and shouldn’t be taken seriously for the current balance. The huge amount of Rev nerfs in the recent balance, including a nerf to sword 4, have brought it in line. Practically no one is complaining about this skill now post balance patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shao.7236 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Haven't been using Off-hand in a while so I can definitely tell you that aside perma stealth thief or builds that constantly disengage and hide behind aegis/blind spam. Off-hand is actually trash and only makes you viable as a +1 profession, everything else is just disengage over and over. If they nerf sword 4 again instead of just restoring the old one and make it work like guardian focus 5, they need to buff 5 more significantly since the nerf of Incensed Response and Roiling Mists, the difference in between PvP and WvW is stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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