The Ace.9105 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Pistol whip build is so fun and interactive. No real counterplay cause it's thief and it has the panic button of dagger storm and instant 1200 away range port and short bow which is like 3600 range in 1s. Thanks anet for this fun and interactive spec, it really makes the game fun to play and really shows how high iq the thief class is and how players can really feel good about themselves and think they are the best in the game with this spec. I thought rev was already broken but at least you can hit revs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar.3568 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Are you the same guy as ace without the? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigmoid.7082 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 I question if this community knows what permanent really means a lot of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ace.9105 Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share Posted January 8, 2020 > @"Sigmoid.7082" said: > I question if this community knows what permanent really means a lot of the time. if thief uses quickness and spams pistol whip you can't cast a single skill that's not instant or a stunbreak before you are dead. That's pretty much perma cc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Lol, just lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzardome.9184 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 just delete the class at this point. and nerf core engi. way too many broken builds. chrono also. maby druid too while we are at it. core ele do too much dmg also. oh and buff gazelle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saerni.2584 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Lol, 1200 plus shortbow = 3600. Good to know. I learn so much about thief listening to people who don’t play thief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 > @"saerni.2584" said: > Lol, 1200 plus shortbow = 3600. Good to know. > > I learn so much about thief listening to people who don’t play thief. I'm still trying to figure out the infinite ini trick after yrs and still eludes me :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrHome.1920 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 > @"The Ace.9105" said: > and short bow which is like 3600 range in 1s. Yeah, these pesky 24 ini thieves casting SB5 4 times in 1 second are the worst! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 > @"KrHome.1920" said: > > @"The Ace.9105" said: > > and short bow which is like 3600 range in 1s. > Yeah, these pesky 24 ini thieves casting SB5 4 times in 1 second are the worst! Yeah and we get their cool and all but were all playing the same class yet they never help a brotha out and let us in on the secret extra 12 ini trait. Just rude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Disgrace.4275 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 May be, they use quickness with shortbow #5 :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorstienn.1642 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 OP, too much hyperbole in your post. Edit or noone will take it seriously; thief mains wont anyway but your honestly making it too easy for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ace.9105 Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share Posted January 8, 2020 > @"Thorstienn.1642" said: > OP, too much hyperbole in your post. Edit or noone will take it seriously; thief mains wont anyway but your honestly making it too easy for them. I already said it's high iq spec. I don't expect it to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ace.9105 Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share Posted January 8, 2020 If you die on thief with the mobility it has you really have to mess up and badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluri.2653 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Funny enough u play rev ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vasdamas Anklast.1607 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 That build's been there right under your noses for so long like really now. If there is anything broken about pistol whip thief it's acrobatic's instant reflexes trait which shouldn't be a thing on any asssassin like spec to begin with (since evade = invulnerability). Aside from that I don't find it too difficult to deal with on certain specs and clear head (which doesn't happen often lately to me unfortunately). There are frames on both Dagger Storm and Pistol Whip when thief is very vulnerable. Is it spammy low risk high rewards spec? Yes. Unpunishable? Maybe but it's still not as absurd as some other bullshit out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ace.9105 Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share Posted January 8, 2020 > @"bluri.2653" said: > Funny enough u play rev ? Yeah and I thought rev has too high mobility and too many dodges but compared to thief rev has nothing. I mean you had 48s duel and you spent 26s of that duel in evade frames and 14s out of range of the enemy and 8s in the range of the enemy before you won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Disgrace.4275 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 > @"The Ace.9105" said: > > @"bluri.2653" said: > > Funny enough u play rev ? > > Yeah and I thought rev has too high mobility and too many dodges but compared to thief rev has nothing. I mean you had 48s duel and you spent 26s of that duel in evade frames and 14s out of range of the enemy and 8s in the range of the enemy. Probably 1 second to get downed too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbelch.9028 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 I remember when I struggled with PW thieves. The year was 2012. T'was glorious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugchriss.2046 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Imagine revs being able to spamm Unrelenting Assault or wars spamming whirlwind attack... "tHeY hAvE a ShOrT wInDoW bEfOrE aNd AfTerCaSt. YoU nEeD tO sToP sPaMmInG aLl YoUr Cd'S aNd TiMe YoUr SkIlLs" lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 > @"Eugchriss.2046" said: > Imagine revs being able to spamm Unrelenting Assault or wars spamming whirlwind attack... > "tHeY hAvE a ShOrT wInDoW bEfOrE aNd AfTerCaSt. YoU nEeD tO sToP sPaMmInG aLl YoUr Cd'S aNd TiMe YoUr SkIlLs" lmao That's harder than complaining so.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 > @"Eugchriss.2046" said: > Imagine revs being able to spamm Unrelenting Assault or wars spamming whirlwind attack... > "tHeY hAvE a ShOrT wInDoW bEfOrE aNd AfTerCaSt. YoU nEeD tO sToP sPaMmInG aLl YoUr Cd'S aNd TiMe YoUr SkIlLs" lmao The fact that pistol whip doesn't move you to your target aside, I hit revs with headbutt/shield bash all the time right as they're coming out of unrelenting because the aftercast makes that move free/forces them to burn their darkness gaze/their energy on shiro evade if they don't want to get stunned. Don't see why that counterplay isn't enough for thief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zexanima.7851 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 > @"Azure The Heartless.3261" said: > > @"Eugchriss.2046" said: > > Imagine revs being able to spamm Unrelenting Assault or wars spamming whirlwind attack... > > "tHeY hAvE a ShOrT wInDoW bEfOrE aNd AfTerCaSt. YoU nEeD tO sToP sPaMmInG aLl YoUr Cd'S aNd TiMe YoUr SkIlLs" lmao > > The fact that pistol whip doesn't move you to your target aside, I hit revs with headbutt/shield bash all the time right as they're coming out of unrelenting because the aftercast makes that move free/forces them to burn their darkness gaze/their energy on shiro evade if they don't want to get stunned. Don't see why that counterplay isn't enough for thief. Because thief shadowstep into PW has no tell for you to follow like unrelenting assault. It also has much better disengage/reengage potential if it goes poorly. PW is already a low risk, high reward skill that can be further mitigated by their plethora of teleports and evades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantheman.3589 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 The reason they have permanent dodge with cc is because they merged the condi clear trait with the heal which also allows you to take pulmonary impact as second tier. Tbh this is kind of busted in general and it’s not just pw, pretty much and daredevil build with acro seems busted rn. Example- I accidentally played my first placement as acro, bound Valkyrie s/d because the season came out of nowhere and it seemed decent so I played all my placements with this troll build and somehow I placed 9-1 solo q when commonly going against legend players. My point being absolutely anything that takes advantage of acro and these new daredevil trait can be busted. It makes you potentially very tanking and if you take advantage in my case of damage modifiers u can still hit for 6k on larcenous or u can just spam cc for damage. It’s so incredibly ez with almost zero downside in specing for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 > @"Zexanima.7851" said: > > @"Azure The Heartless.3261" said: > > > @"Eugchriss.2046" said: > > > Imagine revs being able to spamm Unrelenting Assault or wars spamming whirlwind attack... > > > "tHeY hAvE a ShOrT wInDoW bEfOrE aNd AfTerCaSt. YoU nEeD tO sToP sPaMmInG aLl YoUr Cd'S aNd TiMe YoUr SkIlLs" lmao > > > > The fact that pistol whip doesn't move you to your target aside, I hit revs with headbutt/shield bash all the time right as they're coming out of unrelenting because the aftercast makes that move free/forces them to burn their darkness gaze/their energy on shiro evade if they don't want to get stunned. Don't see why that counterplay isn't enough for thief. > > Because thief shadowstep into PW has no tell for you to follow like unrelenting assault. It also has much better disengage/reengage potential if it goes poorly. PW is already a low risk, high reward skill that can be further mitigated by their plethora of teleports and evade. Sure it does, if we're not counting stealth. If a thief is winding up pistol whip from 1200 range (or 600, whichever you prefer), is facing you, and clearly won't hit you from where you're standing, you can treat that like churning earth/lightning flash and dodge preemptively. But at this point, whatever. Just make sure the skill requirement that you hold thief to also applies to every other class~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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