JackassTheX.6351 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 I'm against KP in general because I find it elitist, but... look, I get it. Some people take the game seriously, especially the raiders and fractal folks. If you're doing Fractal CM speedclears or Raids, I get that you want some kind of proof that someone knows the mechanics so that your run has less chance of failing. I've done CMs maybe once or twice but I do T4s daily and I know how frustrating it is to wipe because one person isn't carrying their weight. But seriously, people asking for KP in Strike Missions is absoultely ridiculous. I completed Shiverpeaks Pass and Whisper of Jormag twice today with PUGs that had 2 healers, some decent condi dps folks and a few randos just doing their thing. These things aren't hard. They don't give insanely high rewards and they're not really "super prestigious hi-end content". The mechanics are fairly easy to pick up, or explain in one or two sentences. I've done the missions so this is not me spilling salt over being kicked from a party for not having KP or whatever. I just think it's stupid and discouraging to a lot of players that want to give it a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBullWings.2734 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 KP in strike missions is the biggest meme of the saga. Just don't take them serious, they are probly bitter bc they somehow expected people playing strike missions to be seasoned players and then got a big reality check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeG.6389 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 And people wonder why raids are such a niche part of the game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassdeff.1895 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 lol, nubs will be nubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhaid Zhem.6508 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Make your own group with less conditions > wipe may be once or twice > players learn something > loot > look at the LFG and sigh after the 250li group still awaiting for players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephalem.8921 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Aren't these requirements just jokes? Nobody pinged anything when i joined those groups for fun. i only encountered a wannabe elitist once who wanted double chrono + druid for kodan. thats not even optimal and kodan is easy gold reward anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shikaru.7618 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Even if it wasnt a meme, if a player wants to seriously demand high credentials, that's their perogative to play that way. Is it needed? Hundo percent no. But it's not any less stupid than someone posting for a Sabathia run with only pistol pistol thieves. Dont like the group? Dont join it. People need to stop complaining about how other people play the game when they have options to opt out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blocki.4931 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Each their own. Would love a setting that didn't allow 2k DPS players to join my groups but we can't have it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackassTheX.6351 Posted February 15, 2020 Author Share Posted February 15, 2020 > @"Nephalem.8921" said: > Aren't these requirements just jokes? Nobody pinged anything when i joined those groups for fun. Happened to me too, so I guess you're right. > @"Shikaru.7618" said: > Dont like the group? Dont join it. People need to stop complaining about how other people play the game when they have options to opt out. Sometimes these groups are the only ones on LFG. When I have a choice between waiting for 30 mins to find 10 people or joining a 7/10 party with "100li" and them telling me to eff off even though I know the mechanics and have beaten harder stuff than a 10 minute golem bossfight... I don't know, I just feel we could do without it. Though as the guy above said, they're mostly lols and we went in without anyone pinging anything anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexi.1398 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Despite being memes they are magically going to attract largely raiders + t4 CM peoples because no one else understands they're memes. So yknow, maybe it is a requirement in some way... :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dami.5046 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 state of the game these days. are they gear checking too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sokeenoppa.5384 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Most of the times those are just joke groups. Personally Ill always post a strike squad and ask 250 dhuum KPs. Squad always gets filled fast, seems like ppl understand that its a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinceman.4572 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 The good thing about these lfgs is that they often - not always - don't attract weaker players and in the end you get a clean & easy fight because only experienced people with a proper self-confidence are joining plus knowing what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LINKAZZATORE.8135 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 > @"JackassTheX.6351" said: > > @"Nephalem.8921" said: > > Aren't these requirements just jokes? Nobody pinged anything when i joined those groups for fun. > > Happened to me too, so I guess you're right. > > > @"Shikaru.7618" said: > > Dont like the group? Dont join it. People need to stop complaining about how other people play the game when they have options to opt out. > > Sometimes these groups are the only ones on LFG. When I have a choice between waiting for 30 mins to find 10 people or joining a 7/10 party with "100li" and them telling me to eff off even though I know the mechanics and have beaten harder stuff than a 10 minute golem bossfight... I don't know, I just feel we could do without it. Though as the guy above said, they're mostly lols and we went in without anyone pinging anything anyway. Or make your own group, there's always that option that nobody ever considers when complaining about kp/li/whatever requirements. Is that too elitist too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 anyone who is underperforming at this point in time is entirely their fault. also there should be a vote option for anet sponsored ddosing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astralporing.1957 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 I don't know what you're complaining about - Anet made strikes to bring the casual and raider content and communities closer, and this is eaxctly what is happening there. Casuals can now get to know raids better, and surely things like that will make them more interested. Surely. [/sarcasm] But, on a more serious note - it's not like behaviour like that could not be predicted beforehand. It was quite obvious this was going to happen once the difficulty of strikes achieved a level where some players may feel the need to filter out people they think might cause the attempt to fail. That's a raider mentality right there, and in a content that plans to span all the difficulty levels between casual content and actual raids it was certain to kick in at some point. And well, it's not like players do not have some very good reasons to make group requirements for joining, so you can hardly blame them for doing exactly that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoRi Silvia.4159 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 I dunno, it seems kinda pointless in strike missions to have kp since it's meant to be the bridging gap between raiding or training steps to raids. Whispers and skinner both require players to be watching out for important mechanics you cannot ignore and can be frustrating if someone is not doing mechanics or doesnt know what to do... end up resing them asap but get downed and whole bunch o players go down trying to save u and the other downed... frustrating But we dont want to be scaring away players with kp. More people interested in strikes = potential players wanting to raid = more interest in anet to develop/spend resource on new raids (pls pls) LFG with exp yes but kp .. seriously not with strikes lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shikaru.7618 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Get rid of kp by bridging the insane performance gap between an open world bottom feeder and a veteran raider. I wouldnt feel the need to gatekeep open worlders out of my group if they werent just so clueless about the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astralporing.1957 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 > @"Shikaru.7618" said: > Get rid of kp by bridging the insane performance gap between an open world bottom feeder and a veteran raider. Yes. _This_ is the gap Anet would need to bridge. Unfortunately, i do not believe it's possible without some major rework of the whole combat/class/build system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vyncius.6105 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 i think its a joke. i once got kicked from boneskinner group because they asked for 250 bananas, i had only like 35. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowmoon.7986 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Honestly if they had a proper gear check, it might fix the problem. Kp is to try to filter out the worse of the worst, those who are not raid/strike ready. Mainly we are talking about folks in random gear doing 3k dps. Personally, if there was a proper inspect with gear and traits, i would not care who is in my group as long as they done the leg work to get proper gear and build, no mater the xp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkeyspit.3965 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Instead of asking for KP, add a link to the wiki and ask players to read it before zoning in. You'll get groups filled much quicker. Seriously, I did the Whisper Strike for the 1st time today on my lunch break. Took 30 secs to read the wiki entry, and I then knew every mechanic that was coming. P3 was a surprise for me, as everything was going on at once, but it was easier on the subsequent attempts. But at no point was I asking myself "what are those green circles" or "why is there a chain attached to me"? Sadly after 4 wipes, all at 10-11%, I had to leave to go back to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry.5713 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 People most likely experienced some horrendous attempts and groups. KPs are the only check avaible to us. Remove them and they will be asking for AP or for you to link gear like in the old dungeon days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrilana.1396 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 > @"Astralporing.1957" said: > > @"Shikaru.7618" said: > > Get rid of kp by bridging the insane performance gap between an open world bottom feeder and a veteran raider. > Yes. _This_ is the gap Anet would need to bridge. Unfortunately, i do not believe it's possible without some major rework of the whole combat/class/build system. > > Why a rework when the gap is due to player skill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astralporing.1957 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > @"Astralporing.1957" said: > > > @"Shikaru.7618" said: > > > Get rid of kp by bridging the insane performance gap between an open world bottom feeder and a veteran raider. > > Yes. _This_ is the gap Anet would need to bridge. Unfortunately, i do not believe it's possible without some major rework of the whole combat/class/build system. > > > > > > Why a rework when the gap is due to player skill? First, this is a bit more than _just_ about skill. Skill, yes, plays a role, but that's what makes the difference when everything else (gear, traits, skills selected) is the same. But the knowledge of all of those is as important. Even small changes in traits and skills selected can have significant impact on your effectiveness, and you cannot do your dps rotations right if you don't know how they should like (and, let's be honest, most of the rotations are not very intuitive). Second, the game can teach you about game mechanics, but most of things that impact effectiveness simply cannot be taught by the game. The game has no idea what the proper rotation should like, and while the freestyle build system can help you create magnificent and supereffective builds, usually it only helps you in crippling your character. So, basically, with the current system, most players won't get any better, and there's nothing the game can do about it. The only way to close the insane performance gap between them and hardcore veterans is by decreasing the possibility of such a gap even existing - and that can only be done by removing all those things that faciliate it. And that can't be done without a major rework of a whole build/class/combat system. Which, as we know, is not likely to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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