Lini.2698 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 First of all, I'm going to openly admit that I don't have a very firm grasp on the impact of the upcoming balance patch, I don't play every class and don't spreak traits fluently. That said, the general feeling I got from reading over the thread seems to be "nerfs across the board" with damage in general being lowered; and I'm just wondering... isn't Anet trying to get more people into raids now with the strike missions? I've done a bit of raiding with some beginner friendly teaching groups, but it always felt like the content was a bit above my level (poor reflexes and easily stressed isn't good for rotation memorization), so I can only imagine that it'll become even more difficult if the general damage output goes down and raids becomes harder because of it. So yeah, it just feels like an odd decision to do this now; trying to get more people into harder content but then introducing a lot of nerfs that I imagine will make groups even more picky about who to take along. But maybe I'm missing something. Perhaps those more fluent in traits and game mechanics can offer some reassurance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevenDEADLY.5281 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Damage reductions are in pvp and wvw only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galmac.4680 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 As I understand the patch, the general nerf is also in PvE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbru.6014 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 > @"Galmac.4680" said: > As I understand the patch, the general nerf is also in PvE There are some nerfs in PVE, but not nearly as many as in PVP and WvW. Those two modes will almost be entirely new after this patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevenDEADLY.5281 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 > @"Galmac.4680" said: > As I understand the patch, the general nerf is also in PvE No, those massive 33% to 66% damage reductions through power coefficients are wvw and pvp only. Hence why they're under the "wvw changes" or "pvp changes" section of updates only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khisanth.2948 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 The nerfs to PvE comes from mechanics changes. Some of them are also technically a nerf because something was lost but not hugely important in PvE. For example necros will have even less access to stability despite their already paltry amount but in PvE that isn't as important. Many of the CC skills had their animations slowed down which can be an issue in PvE fights where you have a short window for a breakbar like Vinetooth Prime or the gladiator in Chaos Fractal. Although those will also require more borderline situations(it will be harder to carry people through breakbars), groups where everyone is doing their part shouldn't be impacted much. A bunch of sources of Unblockable has also become potentially less powerful since they work by hit count instead of duration but that is also a relatively niche thing in PvE. There are also actual nerfs though like "Feel My Wrath!"'s change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloc Freidon.5692 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 The only nerfs I really see is stuff like Ankle Shots, because how it will work after the change. Essentially a 15% damage loss to pistols if you still use it. Everything else is buffs and improvements in PvE. WvW and PvP need the damage nerfs so people stop instantly killing players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyCakeLight.3750 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 I can't wait for the changes and wish they were coming out today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeG.6389 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 If it was "nerfs across the board", wouldn't that keep the playing field the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 > @"MikeG.6389" said: > If it was "nerfs across the board", wouldn't that keep the playing field the same? To an extent, yes. Which is more why the comments made noted more of a ‘reset’ than a balance. With a reduction in power creep for WvW and PvP. From there, more in the way of balance to start with more of a new floor. Now... whether it works or not, we likely won’t know for 3-6 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eramonster.2718 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Like many have said, minor adjustment for PvE, and there are buffs but won't effect PvE much. The main focus/ big chunk of the patch is for PvP/WvW. It will be a new experience for sure. Enough to shuffle the classes and new traits to be considered. Eg. Will bunker be unkillable, condi be the META etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulki.1458 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 As others said the only changes that are really crossing into PvE are qualitative changes (e.g. trait reworks or major skill changes), but not really numeric changes. The PvP changes are pretty clearly trying to do a few key things across the board: - Increase time to kill by reducing all sources of strike damage and condition duration. - Reduce healing. - Shorten boon durations so they have to be used tactically. - Remove damage from CC skills to get rid of stunlock kills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannelore.8153 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 This is an unpopular opinion but I wish it was PvE too tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kharmin.7683 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 I main ranger and am disappointed with the soulbeast changes. :( If it were an issue only in competitive modes, I wish that the changes were not for open world PvE. /shrug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.5684 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 I really which people would read.. the "nerfs" are PvP only. PvE wise, this seems like the best patch in a while, buffing many unused skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidsAreEasyAF.8652 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 > @"kharmin.7683" said: > I main ranger and am disappointed with the soulbeast changes. :( If it were an issue only in competitive modes, I wish that the changes were not for open world PvE. /shrug Why are you disappointed? Soulbeast is getting Omega Buffed in PvE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blocki.4931 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 > @"Hannelore.8153" said: > This is an unpopular opinion but I wish it was PvE too tbh. Nah, open world already means hp sponges out the ass in events, it would be so boring if you had to focus champions for 5 minutes even more than you already do sometimes. Now if scaling of enemies was also lowered by 50%... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kharmin.7683 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 > @"RaidsAreEasyAF.8652" said: > > @"kharmin.7683" said: > > I main ranger and am disappointed with the soulbeast changes. :( If it were an issue only in competitive modes, I wish that the changes were not for open world PvE. /shrug > > Why are you disappointed? Soulbeast is getting Omega Buffed in PvE. I often swap pets during combat. This is being removed, which for me is disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crackmonster.2790 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Speaking of... timing, does anyone know when we can expect it to happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnusthorek.8027 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 IMHO (and please respect that), if WvW'ers (and probably PvP,'ers I don't know, I don't care) didn't play with macros and/or mouse with 400 extra buttons that look more like a teenager's face (ugh) to stack dozens of conditions before their target press the first button, even if that button is a condition cleansing skill, that wouldn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbru.6014 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 > @"Crackmonster.2790" said: > Speaking of... timing, does anyone know when we can expect it to happen? Probably a bit later today. Anet is based on the US west coast, and it's not even 8 AM there yet. They gotta wake up and get to the office first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zok.4956 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 > @"Crackmonster.2790" said: > Speaking of... timing, does anyone know when we can expect it to happen? Probably in around 20 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Anet is literally creating two different games just to avoid PvE raiders going into hyperventilating panic mode over numbers being lower than before so the premise of this thread seems odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannelore.8153 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 > @"Blocki.4931" said: > > @"Hannelore.8153" said: > > This is an unpopular opinion but I wish it was PvE too tbh. > > Nah, open world already means hp sponges out the kitten in events, it would be so boring if you had to focus champions for 5 minutes even more than you already do sometimes. Now if scaling of enemies was also lowered by 50%... I haven't seen an enemy take more than five seconds to kill outside of instanced content since the release of PoF. Even on the newest maps, Champion level enemies melt like butter under any significant pressure from a group. Current DPS from players is up to 3-4x what it was at release, but game design has remained mostly the same. Guilds have even 5man'ed raids in Masterwork gear.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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