Avatar.3568 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 first: i play ranger not mesmer. second: mesmer are just food and a legit free kill in 2vs2 or conquest !! third: dik what to buff but pls buff the class is dead !!!!! (listen to the players) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnfall.9573 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 > @"Avatar.3568" said: > first: i play ranger not mesmer. > second: mesmer are just food and a legit free kill in 2vs2 or conquest !! > third: kitten what to buff but pls buff the class is dead !!!!! (listen to the players) listen to players?? how about returning Mesmer Profession identity back to they are supposed to be without the Toxic Bad Design and without being a Toxic killing machine?? https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Mesmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrollingDemigod.3041 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Why? It would be counter-productive since there's still a lot of things that deserve nerfs in PvP and WvW. Buffing something because other things are still in powercreeped state is a bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapasmurf.5623 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Id just be happy with the 2 dodges back. Played my DPS mirage for the 1st tiem since patch (mained it since shortly after its release) and maaaaaaaaaaaan. Renders my runes and sigils almost moot lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 > @"Bigpapasmurf.5623" said: > Id just be happy with the 2 dodges back. Played my DPS mirage for the 1st tiem since patch (mained it since shortly after its release) and maaaaaaaaaaaan. Renders my runes and sigils almost moot lol. Instead of just dodge meme we have just dont dodge meme. what a time to be alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apharma.3741 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Buffing mesmer without addressing the problems that still persist but nerfed down into irrelevancy is a bad idea. What are those Pharma? Mantra of pain still giving 12 stacks of might. Continuum Split still lets you double up on anything even if chrono is dead, means if it ever comes back it doubles the power of whatever is strong while making balance by cool down irrelevant. Mirage cloak is still, imo, a bad mechanic even if it's nerfed down to 1 dodge. Don't get me wrong, there were some really (in my opinion) dumb changes over time like mantra of concentration becoming 60s CD making it one of the worst stability skills in the game, no IP on chrono makes it unplayable without clone spam...which no-one wants and many utility skills in a very weird place for various reasons. Having said that one thing I have to praise the balance team for is increasing mesmer identity a little with bountiful blades and adding more boon removal to domination. Perhaps if chaos was more about transferring conditions from yourself to enemies (sort of how mallyx was supposed to work) it might cement mesmer as kind of this manipulation class again but the above absolutely need changing before anything else can happen as these aspects are simply too strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapasmurf.5623 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > @"Bigpapasmurf.5623" said: > > Id just be happy with the 2 dodges back. Played my DPS mirage for the 1st tiem since patch (mained it since shortly after its release) and maaaaaaaaaaaan. Renders my runes and sigils almost moot lol. > > Instead of just dodge meme we have just dont dodge meme. > what a time to be alive. Im fine with all the other nerfs/balances, I WANT MY 2nd DODGE! :p :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crepuscular.9047 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 2v2 doesnt give an accurate picture of what needs to be balanced in a 5v5 match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 > @"crepuscular.9047" said: > 2v2 doesnt give an accurate picture of what needs to be balanced in a 5v5 match reread what OP wrote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ithilwen.1529 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Yes, Mesmer is badly underpowered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernRedStar.3054 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Class: not ideal in one (side-) game mode. Class players: _god, my class is dog food!_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar.3568 Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 > @"NorthernRedStar.3054" said: > Class: not ideal in one (side-) game mode. > > Class players: _god, my class is dog food!_ There are good in nothing right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daishi.6027 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > @"crepuscular.9047" said: > > 2v2 doesnt give an accurate picture of what needs to be balanced in a 5v5 match > > reread what OP wrote. Even IF OP was talking about only 2v2s, Please explain what could possibly be balanced in 2v2 yet be unbalanced in 5v5 conquest? Far as I see it might as well balance all of PvP around the 2v2. Also ya, Mirage only needs it's 2 evades back. Regardless of what other classes need to be nerfed and what not, **unless we're seeing massive nerfs to things like:** Ranger's "Natural Vigor" or the plethora of options afforded to thief, including multiple evades and "in combat mobility" across weapon sets, or the innate survivability of things like war, rev. Otherwise; Mirage shouldn't have "less" for an archetype designed to survive in head to head combat... Even with the "normal amount of dodges" Mirage still comes up short unless speccing for mirrors, which are a terrible mechanic, and does not compete with simple "on demand access" to evades/block/etc (besides the fact it's counter intuitive to a play style that can drop target but then gives a big diamond sign saying "OH I'M GOING OVER HERE IF I WANT TO DODGE YOUR CLEAVE!") Unless we're expecting a rework for a mirage as a whole. But honestly unless we're getting something good like more target drops, more illusion protection or clone HP to try and fool players, or more readily available mobility; we only need the two dodges back or else power mirage is just an inferior thief that doesn't have the luxury to spec into stealth or even defensive lines like it's core counterpart, since baseline it doesn't do enough with Dom/Duel, and the mirage line offers nothing substantial to power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzardome.9184 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 buff chrono yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayga.3192 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Everyone should be forced to play power chrono for 1 day :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koen.1327 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 And what needs to be buffed? Mes is fine imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yasai.3549 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 They should give Mirage 2 Dodges back, period. And then remove Infinite Horizon at the same time :^) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daishi.6027 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Also “Mesmer” being the title I think should be amended, normal Mes is at least functional with super speed, but personally I’d much rather play thief for a safer more reliable build. It’s Chrono and Mirage that need buffs. They should have their trade offs restored and then be taken back to the drawing board. Frankly for chrono losing distortion and not being affected by singer of illusions is enough of a drawback. Illusionary persona should be reinstated. If we’re sticking with the reduced endurance for mirage, at the very least it should have its defensive toys back with vigor and jaunts restored, on top of blinding dissipation. In fact nomads endurance should just be A passive like Natural Vigor OR make mirage clock 1+1/4 with regular vigor access, giving value to the lack of “on demand” and not force people to take the stupid mirror trait. But preferably just give the second evade back, and if a trade off is needed change illusion’s condis to utility condis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincolnbeard.1735 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 I don't even care for the second dodge. Give back critical infusion, confounding suggestions, take out this joke of trait called bountiful blades, fix the kitten mirror blade damage, and fix the double bugged power block. That's it. Fix two things and give two traits back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostof Luzifer.6159 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 > @"Avatar.3568" said: > first: i play ranger not mesmer. > second: mesmer are just food and a legit free kill in 2vs2 or conquest !! > third: kitten what to buff but pls buff the class is dead !!!!! (listen to the players) I think the next step will rather be a nerf to ranger :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 > @"Yasai.3549" said: > They should give Mirage 2 Dodges back, period. > And then remove Infinite Horizon at the same time :^) that would be a nerf lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayga.3192 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 > @"Yasai.3549" said: > They should give Mirage 2 Dodges back, period. > And then remove Infinite Horizon at the same time :^) Don't remove IH, make it baseline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannelore.8153 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 I think alot of what makes people hate Mesmer is the Stealth mechanic they share with Thief, even if they implement it much better and without some of the weaknesses since Clones kind of fill in the void it creates on Thief. If you think about it, most toxic builds wouldn't be so bad if you could see it coming, or if the Mesmer couldn't just disappear when you manage to counter it and it fails. Yes you can blame skills like Mantra of Pain but they're pretty okay in a direct fight. And Chronomancer only got nerfed so bad because they had the Firebrand problem of making groups virtually undefeatable when played right. I don't know what the solutions are, though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidnightX.6294 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 mesmer is fine now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gryxis.6950 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 > @"apharma.3741" said: > Continuum Split still lets you double up on anything even if chrono is dead, means if it ever comes back it doubles the power of whatever is strong while making balance by cool down irrelevant. What would be the point of continuum split if you couldn't double up your skills ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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