Bazsi.2734

> @"Hogwarts Zebra.8597" said: > Instead of having a single amulet giving us all our stats, we would have amulet+back > > Amulet stats would be halved, and transferred to the backpiece. No changes necessary for existing stat options. This allows simple mix-matching without the chaos of having 14 pieces of gear to select stats for, and may revive some neglected stats like valk. You would still be able to choose the same stats for both amulet and back if u like, and have exactly the same stats as u do now. > This is very close to how the game used to work, however since 2013 every patch we get further and further away from this. A-net would have to make a 180 on their balancing approach to PvP to make something like this. We'd all love more customization options, it's just highly unlikely that something like this would happen.

> @"Fearless.3569" said: > You didn't cry when the nerfs came for my class. Now I'm no longer here to cry when the nerfs came to your class. Poetic Justice at it finest! > > Damage Dealer Tempest buffs ANet, or I don't return! Tempest is a support spec.

I agree, nerf teleports, buff stealth!

2012 meta can not come back. You'd need to undo a condition rework, and 2 major trait system reworks.... and delete thousands of hours of experience from the brains of veteran players. PvP was dumb fun back in the day, everyone was learning.

> @"KrHome.1920" said: > > @"Bazsi.2734" said: > > None of the elite specs break the core restrictions on classes that give them their flavour. There is no mobility king necro without rune of speed, there is no stealthy boi DH without rune of the trapper. It's these runes which completely eliminate weaknesses a class absolutely should have. However if these runes can acutally stay the way they are... then you are actually right, however only relating to necro and guardian. The rest of the classes do not get runesets which completely negate one of their core weakness. > > Try speccing your thief into a team healer, try making a stealth elementalist etc... if these things are impossible, why is stealth guardian and zoom-zoom necro a thing? Either all or none of them should exist. I'd prefere the latter. > That whole text makes no sense. Oh... oh no. I've been destroyed. Such a throughout refutation. The discourse in 2021 looking strong already.

> @"Dantheman.3589" said: > > @"Bazsi.2734" said: > > > @"snoow.1694" said: > > > > @"Ragnar.4257" said: > > > > > @"snoow.1694" said: > > > > > > @"Ragnar.4257" said: > > > > > > Strongly disagree. > > > > > > > > > > > > SoJ and Permeating Wrath are fine on any other build. Go try it on FB and see how effective it is (hint: it isn't). > > > > > > > > > > > > This is 100% a trapper-rune issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trapper Runes can‘t put 22 stacks of burn onto you and is 100% a SoJ issue. It applies burn on each hit as well as proc‘ing Permeating Wrath every 3rd tick to add even more burn. > > > > > I mean I wouldn‘t care about Trapper Runes being removed, do that, but your team would still eat the same burn stacks. It wouldn‘t change anything > > > > > > > > Without traps and trapper-runes, a burn DH (running Zeal, Virtues, DH) would either be permanently in down-state, or, they'd have to give up either the Zeal or Virtues trait-lines to gain some sustain, which would mean the damage output would drop WAY off. > > > > > > > > Running Zeal, Virtues, DH as trait-lines means ZERO sustain, and a build like this will instantly die to anything that can see it coming. The ONLY thing that makes this trait setup viable is trapper runes. > > > > > > Except that we could drop DH in that case, go Valor (Meditations) + Zeal (SoJ) + Virtues (Permeating Wrath) and do the same thing, which some are already doing and it plays the same. > > > > I would like to see how you engage in stealth, then drop a Dragons Maw combo and run out of combat with superspeed on any other guardian build. The thing is, burning guardian is perfectly fine on all other builds. I don't see the need to nerf anything beside the removal/rework of trapper runes. The build is full glass, and if you take away the stealth/superspeed, it actually goes down pretty easily. I think any build that sacrifices all sustain should have this much offense. The problem is the runes upgrade it to honorary thief. > > > > > Also I think you are overestimating the sustain from 0.5 second stealth a trap offers before it reveals you. Again I don‘t care, nerf RoT as well, but that won‘t solve the problem. > > > > I wonder how much you played this build if you think all that runeset gives you is 0.5 second of stealth. It detargets you, it gives you superspeed, if you placed the correct trap your enemies are now crippled etc... the combo is so powerful you can get by with 0 stunbreaks. Also it's a complete heresy, but since this thread is about balance... Trapper Rune bad! > > Imagine saying this build is a heresy. It’s almost as if you could never be wrong. Go ahead and keep playing the build if it entertains u that much The order of creation clearly indicates that Rune of the Trapper was made AFTER Eve bit into the forbidden fruit. Which means it represents humanity's fall from grace. Save your soul from eternal damnation, delete Rune of the Trapper!

> @"snoow.1694" said: > > @"Ragnar.4257" said: > > > @"snoow.1694" said: > > > > @"Ragnar.4257" said: > > > > Strongly disagree. > > > > > > > > SoJ and Permeating Wrath are fine on any other build. Go try it on FB and see how effective it is (hint: it isn't). > > > > > > > > This is 100% a trapper-rune issue. > > > > > > > > > Trapper Runes can‘t put 22 stacks of burn onto you and is 100% a SoJ issue. It applies burn on each hit as well as proc‘ing Permeating Wrath every 3rd tick to add even more burn. > > > I mean I wouldn‘t care about Trapper Runes being removed, do that, but your team would still eat the same burn stacks. It wouldn‘t change anything > > > > Without traps and trapper-runes, a burn DH (running Zeal, Virtues, DH) would either be permanently in down-state, or, they'd have to give up either the Zeal or Virtues trait-lines to gain some sustain, which would mean the damage output would drop WAY off. > > > > Running Zeal, Virtues, DH as trait-lines means ZERO sustain, and a build like this will instantly die to anything that can see it coming. The ONLY thing that makes this trait setup viable is trapper runes. > > Except that we could drop DH in that case, go Valor (Meditations) + Zeal (SoJ) + Virtues (Permeating Wrath) and do the same thing, which some are already doing and it plays the same. I would like to see how you engage in stealth, then drop a Dragons Maw combo and run out of combat with superspeed on any other guardian build. The thing is, burning guardian is perfectly fine on all other builds. I don't see the need to nerf anything beside the removal/rework of trapper runes. The build is full glass, and if you take away the stealth/superspeed, it actually goes down pretty easily. I think any build that sacrifices all sustain should have this much offense. The problem is the runes upgrade it to honorary thief. > Also I think you are overestimating the sustain from 0.5 second stealth a trap offers before it reveals you. Again I don‘t care, nerf RoT as well, but that won‘t solve the problem. I wonder how much you played this build if you think all that runeset gives you is 0.5 second of stealth. It detargets you, it gives you superspeed, if you placed the correct trap your enemies are now crippled etc... the combo is so powerful you can get by with 0 stunbreaks. Also it's a complete heresy, but since this thread is about balance... Trapper Rune bad!

> @"Crozame.4098" said: > > @"Bazsi.2734" said: > > > @"Ragnar.4257" said: > > > > @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said: > > > > > @"Dawdler.8521" said: > > > > > > @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said: > > > > > > If anything this video not only demonstrates how ridiculous it is for a heavy bruiser to be porting around while stealthed like a thief, but also how the burn condi is wildly strong right now. > > > > > So uh... > > > > > > > > > > The thief is a **heavy bruiser** too? Because last I checked, the guardian and the thief has the same base hp. What makes the guardian so *heavy* outside of its fashion style? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't make petty arguments. > > > > > > > > As if it weren't acknowledged by the entire community that Guardians is a team fighter and can stay in the middle of 3v3s or 4v4s without needing to leave. > > > > > > > > As if it weren't acknowledged by the entire community that Thieves get killed easily and quickly when trying to stay in the middle of 3v3s or 4v4s. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What part of a Trapper-DH's kit allows it to stay in a 4v4 any better than a thief? > > > > > > We're talking about a build that has 0 defensive utilities, and which takes 0 sustain traits. No RF, no healing meditations, no healing symbols, no heal on aegis, no shouts, no stunbreak, no stab. There's the F3 skill on 50s cooldown........ but if one 3s block on 50s CD is enough to make a build a "heavy bruiser" then so is your GS soulbeast. > > > > The part where you don't actually have to be part of the teamfight, because on demand stealth. > > ppl just make all kinds of arguments to defend their own class, and use almost the same argument to say other classes are OP and need nerfs~ As the game ages you'd expect more and more people to multiclass... but you'd be wrong. The amount of people who think "you're a REDACTED main" is an argument is still disturbingly high. I comment on balance issues because I play all 9 classes, all meta and fotm builds(yes I practise even on builds I hate). Also this is a special case for me, because a nerf/buff is not my objective here. If class identity is still a thing in this MMO, then guardians don't get to wield stealth.

> @"Math.5123" said: > > @"Arheundel.6451" said: > > > @"Math.5123" said: > > > > @"Paradoxoglanis.1904" said: > > > > Guards spinny sword of fire is better at cleaving than a zerker ele's fgs. > > > > > > This is straight up a lie. > > > > I have videos to show otherwise...do you want force me to upload videos on youtubes after processing them and prove you wrong? > > - a single sword of justice summon can down a light/medium golem on its own > > - You need a full FGS rotation to down a medium golem...and we're talking about an elite > > He said, the sword alone is better damage than zerk fgs. I can guarantee you I'll get more dmg out of fgs in a 16s duration (time to cast all 4 swords) than the burning from sword. It entirely depends on its usage btw. If the enemy team has multiple hitboxes in a small area(rezzing a downed, minions etc), SoJ procs the traited burning many many more times, all of which are AoE, so it can actually oneshot a group, with you having 2 other charges left to cleave the downed bodies. It's obviously way weaker against moving single targets. If your point is FGS has more damage potential+utility in a duel than a single cast of SoJ, you're right... but I don't think thats the point Paradoxoglanis was making.

> @"vanflyheight.6832" said: > There should be a bannable offense to any team that uses all the same class in a single match, like 3 rangers for example doesnt matter the spec either. And it should be not allowed to be able to swap toons to one of the classes that there's already 2 of., whether it be 2 rangers, thieves, or w/e, there should be a bannable offense to any team that uses 3 of the same class. If you get put in the same team as two other players playing the same class as you, you clearly deserve to get banned for that. I mean, you clearly clicked "join ranked/join unranked", now deal with the consequences!

> @"CutesySylveon.8290" said: > If you spec your build for a specific purpose, it should be able to do it to some extent, regardless of how similar it is to other classes. Nobody cares about class themes, those went out the window long ago with elite specs that are supposed to change how a class plays. None of the elite specs break the core restrictions on classes that give them their flavour. There is no mobility king necro without rune of speed, there is no stealthy boi DH without rune of the trapper. It's these runes which completely eliminate weaknesses a class absolutely should have. However if these runes can acutally stay the way they are... then you are actually right, however only relating to necro and guardian. The rest of the classes do not get runesets which completely negate one of their core weakness. Try speccing your thief into a team healer, try making a stealth elementalist etc... if these things are impossible, why is stealth guardian and zoom-zoom necro a thing? Either all or none of them should exist. I'd prefere the latter.

> @"anduriell.6280" said: > > @"Bazsi.2734" said: > > > @"LucianTheAngelic.7054" said: > > > Thematically it's fine for DH to have access to stealth. > > > snip > > > > Guardian is the polar opposite of what thief is, so of course it's fine for them to have access to the same tools. After all they are being different by being the same. Dude what? > > Yeah pretty simple, DH has access to Longbow and Ranger has access to longbow. Ranger has access to stealth so for DH is fine to have access to stealth. So because ranger has access to longbow, DH is allowed to have stealth. W H A T ? > Also DH thematically is a hunter "As dragons continue stirring in the land of Tyria, guardians have been honing their light into a physical nature, sharp and deadly enough to pierce scales. The dragonhunter specialization will look to viciously purge the lands of dragons and their ilk, with longbow and traps now at hand. As their prowess with light has increased, they are able to physically manifest their virtues into the world." So ehm... sounds like a fighter to me. How is this the description of a hunter? Or is it thematically a hunter because it has hunter in its name? That would make deadeye thematically dead... which would honestly explain some things. > with a single target weapon, There is nothing single target on DH-s longbow. The autoattack bounces, True Shot Pierces, DS has no target cap whatsoever, slot 4 and 5 are just plain old AoE-s. > so it should be fine for a hunter get access to some sort of stealth. Because the weapon is single target is fine also to get access to stealth as a defensive utility when it is fighting a group. Literally nothing you're saying makes sense. Stealth as a defensive utility works on sidenodes, or offpoint chases, where the enemy actually has to avoid traps. In the chaos of a teamfight your traps are usually instantly set off. Burn DH does not teamfight, it pokes at teamfights, combos with Dragons Maw, but never sticks around. That's not a playstyle guardian should have access to, period.

> @"Ragnar.4257" said: > > @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said: > > > @"Dawdler.8521" said: > > > > @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said: > > > > If anything this video not only demonstrates how ridiculous it is for a heavy bruiser to be porting around while stealthed like a thief, but also how the burn condi is wildly strong right now. > > > So uh... > > > > > > The thief is a **heavy bruiser** too? Because last I checked, the guardian and the thief has the same base hp. What makes the guardian so *heavy* outside of its fashion style? > > > > > > > > > > Don't make petty arguments. > > > > As if it weren't acknowledged by the entire community that Guardians is a team fighter and can stay in the middle of 3v3s or 4v4s without needing to leave. > > > > As if it weren't acknowledged by the entire community that Thieves get killed easily and quickly when trying to stay in the middle of 3v3s or 4v4s. > > > > > > What part of a Trapper-DH's kit allows it to stay in a 4v4 any better than a thief? > > We're talking about a build that has 0 defensive utilities, and which takes 0 sustain traits. No RF, no healing meditations, no healing symbols, no heal on aegis, no shouts, no stunbreak, no stab. There's the F3 skill on 50s cooldown........ but if one 3s block on 50s CD is enough to make a build a "heavy bruiser" then so is your GS soulbeast. The part where you don't actually have to be part of the teamfight, because on demand stealth.

> @"LucianTheAngelic.7054" said: > Thematically it's fine for DH to have access to stealth. > snip Guardian is the polar opposite of what thief is, so of course it's fine for them to have access to the same tools. After all they are being different by being the same. Dude what?

> @"anduriell.6280" said: > > @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said: > > > > I actually agree with this. I think they need Rune Of The Trapper to be functional. The problem is that they are too functional to the point of overperformance right now, and they are bordering on being allowed game mechanics that only thieves and mesmers should have. > > > > The thing is though, they shouldn't be balancing DH around a single rune. If DH needs a very specific rune to be functional, that is a problem with DH just as much as it is the rune that is making it over perform. > > > > If this is the case, DH needs fixing so that it can perform without needing a rune that turns it into a cross-class thief. > > > If Stealth would not stack reducing the stealth time would work on the runes. > While stealth can stack the DH just needs to equip 5 traps it will still have enough stealth uptime. > > The whole point to this would be fixing the overperformance of DH without messing with other builds/mechanics. Some of you campaigning against stealth for 9 years now, yet the mechanic works exactly as it did during the first open beta, will you guys ever give up?

> @"Abyssisis.3971" said: > > @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said: > > > @"Abyssisis.3971" said: > > > Looks to me like the enemy DH teleported to you with JI you as you took 1 burn first up. No idea where it came from tho, could of been out of sight like it was when it ran from you over to their home point. > > > > Yeah that's my point precisely. They have enough stealth/super speed to be able to pull stuff off like that. They can stealth from behind an obstruction so you can't see where they are, and they run like 1500 range in stealth and then JI at you another odd 1500 some range, and you can't see it coming. That's legit thief/mesmer styled burst play right there. The only difference is that Thief/Mesmer are glass cannon and have to target single targets, whereas the DH is a heavy bruiser who releases a massive AoE node nuke with Dragon Maw CC combined, which is very powerful now after the big nerf that removed so much stability. > > > > Granting that kind of stealth ganking/rotational/disengage factor to one of the heaviest bruisers in the game is just broken balance no matter how you look at it. It'd be like if I could hack Smash Bros and make it so Bowser moved as fast as Sonic The Hedgehog. Why would anyone play anything else other than Bowser at that point, a heavy who moved as fast as a light? aaaaaaand that is exactly why we are seeing a ridiculous DH class representation right now. > > > > DH isn't the problem. Rune Of The Trapper is the problem. > > I’m all for the removal of stealth from trapper runes/stealth in general lol, but I doubt it will solve any issues with DH as a lot of the complains are coming from it being a spamming play style with lots of burn stacks and being too easy to play for how much damage it causes. > > Is rune of the trapper broken on rangers? I never hear any complaints about rangers using it, just DH using it. Dragonhunter is actually quite weak without trapper runes. The burn build especially is a jokebuild with no stunbreaks, which is not even close to viable without the detargets/superspeed from Trapper Runes. So reworking/removing the rune would totally solve the problam, maybe DH would even need some buffs to compensate. Also if trapper ranger is totally fine (I find it also lame, but stealth is part of rangers kit so whatever), we could implement this radical idea of limiting which amulets and runes a class/eliespec has access to.

> @"Megametzler.5729" said: > What build are you playing then? I'm guessing the one where you do not log in.

We all love a flawlessly implemented build template system.

If 2v2 or 3v3 would be the main gamemode, I'd totally agree with those wanting nerfs, however... it's not. Did the monthly tourney even have necros in it?

> @"Peter.3901" said: > Or just nerf dh? And buff trapper runes some more. You know, to compensate.

> @"Paradoxoglanis.1904" said: > I want to be able to stealth on demand with my all signet mes, war, necro, and ele builds. Please add runes of the signet god, which grant stealth on signet use. Thanks. Only if it also gives a superspeed and the best stat combo for your build. Otherwise it would be "bad"!

> @"NorthernRedStar.3054" said: > With the exact same mechanics? You actively trying to kill the game? Actively killing the game would require activity.

> @"Filip.7463" said: > As the title says... > > Can we get an option in settings to change all teammate/oppo character names to their elite specialisation? > Example: chrono named Pink Bear -> Chronomancer > > Its more visible which class is your opponent when going into 1v1 fights. > > Now we can use an option to change all characters to human with vendor armor. Why would you ever need this? Denying yourself the knowledge who you're fighting is not an advantage. If the enemy has a godlike and an average X, how do you tell which one is charging at you? How do you know what to expect? All that info is in their name. Which you turned off... why would anyone ever want this handicap?

> @"Kuma.1503" said: > Thief skill breaks > > Anet: Dw fam I gotchu > > Kalla Elite doesn't have fire field for months > > Anet: I'm just gonna ignore that. It's working though, what do you mean?

> @"Terrorhuz.4695" said: > > @"Tycura.1982" said: > > Fear mark has a unique and fairly easy to see animation > > Fear mark has some good 1300 range (1200 range + 120 AoE radius). From that distance I feel like a proper visual effect would be better than just a different hand wave > > > @"Bazsi.2734" said: > > wanna know if the enemy has projectile blocking up? Well shoot into them and see what happens. > > Is it just me or magnetic aura and fire aura look quite similar when the tempest is whacking you? All the aura rework has taught me to do was look at the buff bar even more. And squint, because their icons are only SLIGHTLY more helpful. Whoever had the genius idea to make all auras represented with a blue icon deserves a loving and tolerant talking to.