praqtos.9035

> @"Zawn.9647" said:

> > @"Solori.6025" said:

> > > @"Regon Phoenix.8215" said:

> > > > @"Solori.6025" said:

> > > > Like....if making grandmaster traits useless

> > > > Nerfing trait lines and removing choices

> > > > Nerfing weapon skills repeatedly.

> > > > Nerfing utilities and elite skills repeatedly

> > > > is a tiny tiny tiny nerf then I would love to see what the other classes are getting.

> > >

> > > And yet, mesmer still can 1shot people from stealth. It still can dance around creating tons of clones, applying tons of conditions and heal itself more than most of other classes. It can still bunker a point forever against any other class.

> > >

> > > So, because it is still as broken as it was bore, i call any nerf to it as a "tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny" one. If something is just as much broken after nerf as it was before it, then is that nerf was actually a nerf?

> > >

> > >

> >

> > In terms of Spvp. Since that is where most things are balanced around.

> >

> > It can 1shot when playing full glass vs a full glass low health target.

> > It's always been able to create clones. This simply becomes a L2P situation.

> > It's condition build has already been severely nerfed. If you still have issues with this, this is also a L2P issue. Like their is a reason this build is only effective in silver tiers cause people don't know what a cleanse is apparently.

> > It cant bunker forever vs any other class. Spellbreaker, Holo, scrapper, and FB can sustain points much longer. Herald and good Sw/D thieves have advantage.

> > If a mesmer bunker is stalling you out that is a severe L2P issue. Especially since the things that allowed it to bunker were nerfed. Hard.

> > Like what tier of Pvp are you stuck in?

> > Or are you talking about WvW? Where literally nothing is balanced because it's a mix of PvE?

> > Edit: and because you keep saying mesmer and not mentioning any elite spec I am assuming you are talking about core. If you are talking about a specific elite spec please specify.

>

> wrong. it can 1shot a holosmith that's not glass. it can ALMOST oneshot a necro who has a big hp pool... the burst is huge

It doesnt oneshot passive carried holos even when they go afk, not to count power mesmer have not a single chance against holo. Talking about how is big burst on full zerk yolo build? Any class can do the same, shocking surprise,isnt it?

> no classes can clear the sheer amount of condis a mirage can deliver. torment, burning, bleeding and confusion through the roof... i can clear my condis and get them all back in less than 3s later (that's if im playing warrior who can cleanses everything with Shake it off)

Firebrand,scrapper,holo, warrior built for resistance dont care what condi mirage can do. No one :joy:

> the main thing that allows mesmer to unpunished is the core mechanic. i mean, yeah its a L2P issue. but it still confuses anyone having like 576 mesmers on your screen that also dodges like the real one and uses the ambush attack afterwards... the clones should be something to help mesmer deal damage/conditions, not fill my screen until i dont even know who am i

Oh... ANOTHER clone complaint, thanks for letting us know that your opinion worth basically nothing.

> @"Solori.6025" said:

>Like what tier of Pvp are you stuck in?

Probably silver, seen him in unranked few times begging to report everyone because he is bad.

If other classes get such "tiny tiny tiny nerfs" traits deleted/nerfed up to 75% as mesmer... they would be on the way of finding a new game alrdy.

> @"Lilyanna.9361" said:

> So my issue is with the glitterbomb class is clutter. Not the skills or traits, or not even just the elites anymore at this point. It's all of the stupid clutter that this stupid class causes when there are MULTIPLE MESMERS on the same thing. Even with a high end pc is skill delay and busy effects is BONKERS. AND never have I ran into a class that actively slams that much clutter on a computer screen in my life.

How its related to the thread? Mantra mesmer dont even produce that many clones to make anyone lag. Your "skill delay" is definitely not because of a mesmer, more likely your internet. Unless you are confused PvP with open world bosses.

> @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > @"Meteor.3720" said:

> > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > Wasnt top1 on NA a wintrader that got a free pass ? So you think your rant will change something?

> > > > And wintrading at start of the season makes no sense

> > >

> > > That individual has already lost more matches this season than they did for the whole of the last season, which is totally legit.

> > >

> > > I wouldn't be surprised if the main reason that individual hasn't been banned or removed from the ladder (as happened to some others previously) is because they're a famous AP hunter and probably buy a lot of gemstore rubbish. ANet don't want to anger their most devout whales.

> > Then I wonder why they just didnt let him buy all AP/titles he want from Anet directly :joy:

>

> Wouldn't it be scary if he did?

So, buying top1 from the players it is less scary?

You are all late to the party, you should have started a riot when first time wintrading was spotted and punished not with just dishonor for 3 month and let them peacefully play whatevery they want,smurf on alts but bans/perma bans, 3 months of dishonor is pretty much nothing, meanwhile god forbid you insult someone, you are going to jail.

Even more playing on alt accounts its another kind of legal "matchmaking manipulation" as you can throw games of your opponents and try hard to win them and drop from their spot while your main is safe. Its working here because of small player base

> @"Meteor.3720" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > Wasnt top1 on NA a wintrader that got a free pass ? So you think your rant will change something?

> > And wintrading at start of the season makes no sense

>

> That individual has already lost more matches this season than they did for the whole of the last season, which is totally legit.

>

> I wouldn't be surprised if the main reason that individual hasn't been banned or removed from the ladder (as happened to some others previously) is because they're a famous AP hunter and probably buy a lot of gemstore rubbish. ANet don't want to anger their most devout whales.

Then I wonder why they just didnt let him buy all AP/titles he want from Anet directly :joy:

> @"Dirame.8521" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said:

> > > > @"Dirame.8521" said:

> > > > > @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said:

> > > > > > @"Dirame.8521" said:

> > > > > > Condi Deadeye can beat Prot Holo..... researched and tested.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > @"mortrialus.3062" said:

> > > > > > > > @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said:

> > > > > > > > [https://clips.twitch.tv/PluckyImportantSandstormArsonNoSexy](https://clips.twitch.tv/PluckyImportantSandstormArsonNoSexy "https://clips.twitch.tv/PluckyImportantSandstormArsonNoSexy") Just going to share this here from last nights stream.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But i was told no holo worth their salt would continue pressing the attack after using their healing skill.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Also tWeNtTy PeRcEnT tO nInEtY pErCeNt IsN't A fUlL hEaL.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Holo clearly had cooldowns to win that fight. The Holo hadn't even used his overcharged shot. Mr Angel could've won that in the blink of an eye. That burst he got was glorious, if he had used Shield of Wrath a few seconds before teleport spin to win, that would have been an even more glorious burst. But he popped his shield of courage instead which was just a bad decision at that moment. @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" Never pop your shield of courage against an Engie power spec, it's the most annoying thing you have against them. Only pop it if you're REALLY desperate, you weren't desperate there. You could've won that easy.

> > > > >

> > > > > time ability is just asking to get dodged. In which case I would have had nothing.

> > > >

> > > > Well, watching that video, you would have landed it. But hindsight is 20-20 really. Either way, you could've won that. Your VIRTUE of courage (sorry i mistyped earlier) if it was up, could've save you from the Overcharged shot (possibly not definitely). But again hindsight is 20-20.

> > > >

> > > > And I'm not here for ego. If you can't take constructive criticism, then that's okay. I won't reply to you any longer.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > Without the F3, my burst wouldn't have been nearly as big as I used it for the 20% damage modifier. I will never beat holo in an extended fight.

> > Why dont you listen to 1270 rated player? He knows how to play guardian better than you !

>

> HAHAHAHAHAHAH... wait wait wait, you think rating means something? ......HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

>

> Oh boy, i'm sorry that I don't have time to play as much as other people who are higher rated. I really only came back to play GW2 to test out weird specs that people weren't playing. I've spent enough time chasing rank in this game. It gets boring after a while, you know.

Not always,but thats more than hilarious to see how bottom gold players trying to teach actually good players how to play their main.

You found time to play 120+ games. Not all high rated people play that much as you think.

> @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said:

> > @"Dirame.8521" said:

> > > @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said:

> > > > @"Dirame.8521" said:

> > > > Condi Deadeye can beat Prot Holo..... researched and tested.

> > > >

> > > > > @"mortrialus.3062" said:

> > > > > > @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said:

> > > > > > [https://clips.twitch.tv/PluckyImportantSandstormArsonNoSexy](https://clips.twitch.tv/PluckyImportantSandstormArsonNoSexy "https://clips.twitch.tv/PluckyImportantSandstormArsonNoSexy") Just going to share this here from last nights stream.

> > > > >

> > > > > But i was told no holo worth their salt would continue pressing the attack after using their healing skill.

> > > > >

> > > > > Also tWeNtTy PeRcEnT tO nInEtY pErCeNt IsN't A fUlL hEaL.

> > > >

> > > > The Holo clearly had cooldowns to win that fight. The Holo hadn't even used his overcharged shot. Mr Angel could've won that in the blink of an eye. That burst he got was glorious, if he had used Shield of Wrath a few seconds before teleport spin to win, that would have been an even more glorious burst. But he popped his shield of courage instead which was just a bad decision at that moment. @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" Never pop your shield of courage against an Engie power spec, it's the most annoying thing you have against them. Only pop it if you're REALLY desperate, you weren't desperate there. You could've won that easy.

> > >

> > > time ability is just asking to get dodged. In which case I would have had nothing.

> >

> > Well, watching that video, you would have landed it. But hindsight is 20-20 really. Either way, you could've won that. Your VIRTUE of courage (sorry i mistyped earlier) if it was up, could've save you from the Overcharged shot (possibly not definitely). But again hindsight is 20-20.

> >

> > And I'm not here for ego. If you can't take constructive criticism, then that's okay. I won't reply to you any longer.

> >

> >

>

> Without the F3, my burst wouldn't have been nearly as big as I used it for the 20% damage modifier. I will never beat holo in an extended fight.

Why dont you listen to 1270 rated player? He knows how to play guardian better than you !

> @"Lincolnbeard.1735" said:

> If you want to nerf the burst you need to buff the sustain damage immensely. Power mes sustain damage is absolute trash.

Same damage as holosmith with demolisher pls ;)

> @"zoopop.5630" said:

> > @"mortrialus.3062" said:

> > > @"zoopop.5630" said:

> > > > @"otto.5684" said:

> > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > > > @"Zexanima.7851" said:

> > > > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said:

> > > > > > > I just fought against a double mantra mesmer, double rev duo.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There are:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. No animations to dodge

> > > > > > > 2. 17 different targets on my screen

> > > > > > > 3. They can be at 3 points simultaneously

> > > > > > > 4. If I stop dodging I get one-shot

> > > > > > > 5. I'm perma revealed and all of their attacks are unblockable

> > > > > > > 6. Stability gets instantly stripped and if you don't die you can't cast any skills because of the cc chains and constant interrupts

> > > > > > > 7. You can't run away from them

> > > > > > > 8. No-port spots are useless

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mantras should not exist and both builds/classes both need huge damage nerfs and reworks. Matches like these are actually unplayable. There are no ways to fight against builds/comps like these and they do not require any skill to play. Unlike sic em longbow soulbeasts, there are no tells for the damage and you can't defend yourself with line of sight and terrain.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > QQ T-T L2P

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm glad I'm not the only one. I fought a team with double mantra mesmer yesterday and absolutely could not participate in the fight. In the very literal sense. I could not use my skills, I was constantly dazed/stunned. There was no tell, not only is it instant this is compounded by initiating from stealth. If I stopped evading, dead, instantly. Not in a second, not in a half second, instantly or at least in about 250ms which might as well be instantly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I get the nerf threads on Soulbeast and Holosmith but why has no one made a thread on this until now? I feel like it's pretty broken. I wont even address Revenant, there are already threads on that mess.

> > > > > Defending sic em oneshot but getting farmed by power mesmer. Learn to dodge/block/invul/los now baby

> > > > > @"shadowpass.4236"

> > > > > I dont even know, 2 rev/2 power mesmers comps must be banned? Is that what your post about?

> > > >

> > > > I am not sure 2 Mesmer and 2 rev even manage to win (assuming equal skill). If the opponent team has and FB, scourge, SB and whatever, the 2 Mesmer and 2 rev team will be obliterated.

> > >

> > > > @"otto.5684" said:

> > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > > > @"Zexanima.7851" said:

> > > > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said:

> > > > > > > I just fought against a double mantra mesmer, double rev duo.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There are:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. No animations to dodge

> > > > > > > 2. 17 different targets on my screen

> > > > > > > 3. They can be at 3 points simultaneously

> > > > > > > 4. If I stop dodging I get one-shot

> > > > > > > 5. I'm perma revealed and all of their attacks are unblockable

> > > > > > > 6. Stability gets instantly stripped and if you don't die you can't cast any skills because of the cc chains and constant interrupts

> > > > > > > 7. You can't run away from them

> > > > > > > 8. No-port spots are useless

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mantras should not exist and both builds/classes both need huge damage nerfs and reworks. Matches like these are actually unplayable. There are no ways to fight against builds/comps like these and they do not require any skill to play. Unlike sic em longbow soulbeasts, there are no tells for the damage and you can't defend yourself with line of sight and terrain.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > QQ T-T L2P

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm glad I'm not the only one. I fought a team with double mantra mesmer yesterday and absolutely could not participate in the fight. In the very literal sense. I could not use my skills, I was constantly dazed/stunned. There was no tell, not only is it instant this is compounded by initiating from stealth. If I stopped evading, dead, instantly. Not in a second, not in a half second, instantly or at least in about 250ms which might as well be instantly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I get the nerf threads on Soulbeast and Holosmith but why has no one made a thread on this until now? I feel like it's pretty broken. I wont even address Revenant, there are already threads on that mess.

> > > > > Defending sic em oneshot but getting farmed by power mesmer. Learn to dodge/block/invul/los now baby

> > > > > @"shadowpass.4236"

> > > > > I dont even know, 2 rev/2 power mesmers comps must be banned? Is that what your post about?

> > > >

> > > > I am not sure 2 Mesmer and 2 rev even manage to win (assuming equal skill). If the opponent team has and FB, scourge, SB and whatever, the 2 Mesmer and 2 rev team will be obliterated.

> > >

> > > If enemy team runs a necro against double mantra Mesmer and double rev in a random Rank game they are 100% throwing. That's free food for the mantra mesmers.

> >

> > Necros without firebrand are free food for everyone.

>

> even with a free firebrand that's a cancer match up for the necro.

Any conditions taken means disengage/death.

> @"sephiroth.4217" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > Wasnt top1 on NA a wintrader that got a free pass ? So you think your rant will change something?

> > And wintrading at start of the season makes no sense

>

> Wether it makes sense or not, it happened.

>

> I dont think my rant will change anything, I hope I inspire our community to take action though.

> Bad PR will be dealt with, if we ignore it then so will anet.

A thread about obvious wintrading(top1 spot lol) was deleted as soon as Ben was quoted, its obvious Anet completely dont care about pvp/wintrading, content shop -> anything else.

Wasnt top1 on NA a wintrader that got a free pass ? So you think your rant will change something?

And wintrading at start of the season makes no sense

Without IH mirage cant work. Simple as that. Other grandmaster traits are terrible/bad to begin with.

>Does anyone else have thoughts on adding or rearranging some traits?

It was suggested by the players to make IH a default minor trait merged with 1 of the current ones and adjust ambush damage if needed.

> @"Megametzler.5729" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > @"Megametzler.5729" said:

> > > Please don't nerf power mesmer. It is more or less fine as it is, minor changes for more fun to play and play against would be nice (CI, damage mantra...). It can be countered easily - with sage's weaver, I have no issues with them. More so with revenants, but I think, everybody thinks they need minor nerfs - better than buffing condi to counter them, probably.

> > >

> > > Apart from that, wow, I agree with mostly everything @"bravan.3876" says.

> > Weavers are one of the classes that extremely unfun to fight against: lots of evades,sustain,stability (burns/lrod) despite it not being meta level. (...)

>

> I should've said "relevant skill activation" and "not randomly spammable". :smile: I would agree weaver should get changes, but right now, I am just happy it doesn't get nerfed too harshly every patch anymore.

>

> But let's not focus too much on weaver in this thread. I'd be happy to discuss those problems in another thread though!

Nerfs/changes/rework on CI/LT are welcomed when they compensate its loss. Enough of useless/dead traits

Greatsword on the mesmer need a rework, not just buff/nerfs. So its shifted from burst shatter and create a new way to play weapon/class.

> @"Megametzler.5729" said:

> Please don't nerf power mesmer. It is more or less fine as it is, minor changes for more fun to play and play against would be nice (CI, damage mantra...). It can be countered easily - with sage's weaver, I have no issues with them. More so with revenants, but I think, everybody thinks they need minor nerfs - better than buffing condi to counter them, probably.

>

> Apart from that, wow, I agree with mostly everything @"bravan.3876" says.

Weavers are one of the classes that extremely unfun to fight against: lots of evades,sustain,stability (burns/lrod) despite it not being meta level. Pretty much all meta classes are not fun to play against because they are the most broken/strongest.

Rampage still crit me 10-11k and twoshot me from full health, nerfs? Nah

May be people want more condi mirages in their games? Unnerf condi then, revenants will vanish on their own :joy:

> @"bravan.3876" said:

> > @"mortrialus.3062" said:

> > I've never liked the idea of mantras, at least the ones that do damage. Inherently uncompetitive. The interrupt is fine but not with damage from Power Block.

> >

> > The Top Row traits on Chronomancer provides ridiculous damage and need serious nerfs.

>

> Power Block is a very balanced trait, the dmg is not high enough to be even near as broken. The only traits need a nerf because they are op in their effects and make Mantra of Distraction rewarding even when only random spammed without interrupting or only interrupting autoattacks are CI and Lost Time. Mantra of Distraction with Powerblock is balanced and only rewards mindful interrupts on more than only autoattacks enough to be worth taking.

In fact power block is bugged now, its cant crit/apply weakness on 3s cd as if its PVE. If you want to nerf LT, then nerf to hell LROD ele as well as it does twice as much damage.

You are pretty much complain about the only good traits left for mesmer :) (cant say CI is not annoying to get immobed but its also in no damage traitline as well)

They could rework GS since its in terrible state and has only 1 use -> combo shatter since 2012

> @"Master Ketsu.4569" said:

> Mantra is able to oneshot people very quickly due to busted mechanics with how the traits and overall class design works. Anets solution will be to nerf power mes damage.

> None of us want this to be true, but we all know it likely is.

Busted mechanics? Is this clone complaint again?

Highly doubt power mesmer will get another round of nerfs as they attempted to nerf condi and gave power tons of nerfs.

Damage nerf on the class with lowest sustained damage among every class? Wont happen

> @"shadowpass.4236" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > @"shadowpass.4236" said:

> > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said:

> > > > > @"praqtos.9035"

> > > > >

> > > > > The mirage doesn't need any of those defenses because the burst will hit 100% of the time if they aren't a potato and can time instant cast ccs. They don't even need the mantras to set up the burst. Blink + Diversion with Confounding Suggestions is effectively an instant 1200 range stun that can be used WHILST simultaneously casting gs2.

> > > > > I'm not going to argue this point any further.

> > > > Running berserk build with no safe-nets and just 2 evades = dont need any defense?

> > > > Almost 7 years mesmer do the same over and over and people still cant learn... If they rework completely GS and give mesmer a new(viable) way to play that would be great tho.

> > > > Why you made a thread and crying about POWER mesmer if you dont want to argue ?:DDDDDDDDDDDDD

> > > >

> > >

> > > 

> > >

> > > lol this is my second time playing power mirage and I went 26-0 with 40% of the team's damage cause the bursts are so easy to land

> > >

> > > in a 12 min 30 second match that means I was getting roughly one kill every 27 seconds

> > >

> > > "dont need any defense" 4Head OmegaLUL

> > Unranked arena 4head OmegaLUL

>

> Where do you think I fought the mantra mesmers? Ranked. They farmed my pugs there so just cause _you_ can't time your bursts doesn't mean other people can't.

>

> It's actually ez mode lmao

How to prove somethign : go unranked, farm some noobs, claim that what you are played is "absolutely busted" . Ok.

> @"shadowpass.4236" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > @"shadowpass.4236" said:

> > > @"praqtos.9035"

> > >

> > > The mirage doesn't need any of those defenses because the burst will hit 100% of the time if they aren't a potato and can time instant cast ccs. They don't even need the mantras to set up the burst. Blink + Diversion with Confounding Suggestions is effectively an instant 1200 range stun that can be used WHILST simultaneously casting gs2.

> > > I'm not going to argue this point any further.

> > Running berserk build with no safe-nets and just 2 evades = dont need any defense?

> > Almost 7 years mesmer do the same over and over and people still cant learn... If they rework completely GS and give mesmer a new(viable) way to play that would be great tho.

> > Why you made a thread and crying about POWER mesmer if you dont want to argue ?:DDDDDDDDDDDDD

> >

>

> 

>

> lol this is my second time playing power mirage and I went 26-0 with 40% of the team's damage cause the bursts are so easy to land

>

> in a 12 min 30 second match that means I was getting roughly one kill every 27 seconds

>

> "dont need any defense" 4Head OmegaLUL

Unranked arena 4head OmegaLUL

> @"shadowpass.4236" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > @"Zexanima.7851" said:

> > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said:

> > > > I just fought against a double mantra mesmer, double rev duo.

> > > >

> > > > There are:

> > > >

> > > > 1. No animations to dodge

> > > > 2. 17 different targets on my screen

> > > > 3. They can be at 3 points simultaneously

> > > > 4. If I stop dodging I get one-shot

> > > > 5. I'm perma revealed and all of their attacks are unblockable

> > > > 6. Stability gets instantly stripped and if you don't die you can't cast any skills because of the cc chains and constant interrupts

> > > > 7. You can't run away from them

> > > > 8. No-port spots are useless

> > > >

> > > > Mantras should not exist and both builds/classes both need huge damage nerfs and reworks. Matches like these are actually unplayable. There are no ways to fight against builds/comps like these and they do not require any skill to play. Unlike sic em longbow soulbeasts, there are no tells for the damage and you can't defend yourself with line of sight and terrain.

> > > >

> > > > QQ T-T L2P

> > >

> > > I'm glad I'm not the only one. I fought a team with double mantra mesmer yesterday and absolutely could not participate in the fight. In the very literal sense. I could not use my skills, I was constantly dazed/stunned. There was no tell, not only is it instant this is compounded by initiating from stealth. If I stopped evading, dead, instantly. Not in a second, not in a half second, instantly or at least in about 250ms which might as well be instantly.

> > >

> > > I get the nerf threads on Soulbeast and Holosmith but why has no one made a thread on this until now? I feel like it's pretty broken. I wont even address Revenant, there are already threads on that mess.

> > Defending sic em oneshot but getting farmed by power mesmer. Learn to dodge/block/invul/los now baby

> > @"shadowpass.4236"

> > I dont even know, 2 rev/2 power mesmers comps must be banned? Is that what your post about?

>

> I've stated repeatedly that I'm fine with Sic Em getting removed.

>

> There's nothing to dodge when the mantras are instant and the burst can be used from stealth. GS2 is unblockable. You can only invuln if you see the burst coming. Otherwise you just waste the cooldown and they wait it out. LoS doesn't work against the mantra burst because they can just teleport behind the terrain with blink, jaunt, or sword 3.

So you are actually complaining about full zerk build without any sustain, any cleanse that use his only breakstun and only stealth on 30s cd that must use all his defense tools to attemtp to kill you... ? Seriously ?

Gs2 is the only unblockable that mesmer has on entire class and hit like a wet noodle.

Only invul? WHAT? Literally everything works: dodge(1.5-2s later after stealth or when u him raising his hand for mirror blade),blocking, LoS, noport. Without frontloading everything right next to your face it wont kill you

>Otherwise you just waste the cooldown and they wait it out.

If you seen/know about mesmer presence that want to oneshot you, his chance to kill you drastically fall off.Neither see purple sword flying next to you, phantasmal berserk spawned next to you, not trying to find LoS( which is obviously work and u wont ever get oneshot from 2 mantras alone ),not doing anything to anticipate the burst, then you 100% deserved to die.

Damn it, tell your team to get 1 thief and they will be stuck on respawn

> @"Vagrant.7206" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > @"toxic.3648" said:

> > > > As an ~~engineer main~~, I respectfully disagree.

> > > with the amount of misinformation u put out when it comes to engi, u dont get to say that

> > :)

> > >Yea, it's just a class main trying his hardest to downplay the viability of his main to avoid the nerf.

>

> You do know the forums have very little effect on what the devs actually do, right?

Every single nerf on the mesmer was called exactly from forum, just as certain buffs ideas. I dont know, you must be blind to not see how impactful it is, otherwise you wouldnt be here

> @"Master Ketsu.4569" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

>

> > So who are these gold scrubs and clowns? Eh ? In fact MANY mesmer players admitted it was OP and suggested solutions that were ignored. Nice try !

> >

>

> I'm not referring to good mesmers, who still continue to be good and are still doing just fine. I'm referring to those who actually tried to defend the class back when it would even win 1v1 against its supposed counter.

You can find such people for every class regardless how broken it is, big surprise, I guess.

> You want to find them? Search the mesmer forums in 2018 then search the previous seasons leaderboards for the randoms claiming the class was fine during that year. Oh look, none of them are on it. Big surprise.

Its not something I would like to spend time on, obviously. There is also probability they dont play anymore

> @"Master Ketsu.4569" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > @"mortrialus.3062" said:

> > > > @"Master Ketsu.4569" said:

> > > > People really need to stop obsessing over metabattle. The API is down so often that metabattle is slow as hell to keep up. The Power Chrono build that could be seen all over the place in plat2+ last season is still listed as a "Test" build, and they don't even have half of it correct.

> > > >

> > > > Mesmer is A-tier, which is going to feel like F-tier to people who mained it during the full two years it was SS.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > This is richer than the whitest, fattest, heaviest cream coming from a rev main.

> > This one is a special snowflake, shows a video with jaw casts ATs, where nearly every team had double even triple revenants and said "calling rev OP would be wrong", I almost fell of my chair.

>

> If you are going to do a personal attack, at least say something that is actually true and actually happened.

What need a nerf opinion from p1-p2 thread? Never happened?

> I've done exactly the opposite and stated that Rev damage is overtuned, power crept, and pretty much all the damage buffs the class has been given should be reverted and/or nerfed. https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/943694/#Comment_943694

What a change, well done ;)

> The fact is I was platinum and on LB with renegade during PoF launch

Excuse me, even with all respect to your "achievement" but reaching platinum... You know...Never been hard ?

> while scrubs played condi mirage post phantasm rework during 2018 placed in gold and came here to claim it wasn't OP.I admit when a class I like is broken, these clowns do not.

So who are these gold scrubs and clowns? Eh ? In fact MANY mesmer players admitted it was OP and suggested solutions that were ignored. Nice try !

> @"Twilight Tempest.7584" said:

> > @"Aeolus.3615" said:

> > So classes in this game get out of metas when they loose the carry damage output or gets harder for bad players to play???

>

> Yep, sometimes. Remember that if and when other things finally get nerfed. :)

Just poke with it thief/ele/core guard, lets see their reaction

Pretty hilarious see them talking about mesmer viablity without mesmer being present in the meta. NA mesmer as an example might play naked and faceroll 500-0 all NA teams regardless,thats how bad NA is

> @"DigiQWill.6378" said:

> @"praqtos.9035"

> I just thought I'd mention it again so Seph could go doublecheck ^^

In my previous post, I told to him, he should check it. Then said he is willing to explain how come daze is REALLY interrupting actions from downed body... but I dont count on that :p

Tho I think after they changed PB, they could have broke something in it, currently its slightly bugged