praqtos.9035

>This means that using a combination of skills like axe 3, blink, jaunts, sword 3, staff 2, torch 4, illusionary ambush, and signet of midnight cause our pets to spend the majority of the fight running back and forth between the player and the mesmer.

Beastmastery builsd all has 25% movespeed bonus so they dont majority of time trying to reach mesmer unless player use JP, then they have to run around, like clones and phantasms. Oh smokescale have easiest time chasing players/mesmer and autostun seems like at important moments for you,its range is 240 and always reaching you,so you cant just run away from it.

>Unlike clones, the pets don't automatically retarget, meaning there is a lot of downtime where the pet is simply unable to reach the mesmer to deal damage.

Not true. Pet automatically retarget on real mesmer as soon you he lose stealth and ignore clones, pet always know who is real mesmer.

> If you aren't revealed by Sic Em, using a stealth cancels any channeled skills like Rapid Fire.

L O L. I wont even read further... Since when stealth interrupt channelled skills,becase you want it ? After so many years...

>Also, while I believe condi Mirage is oppressive, I am more scared of a well-played power mesmer simply because the burst can 100-0 me if I don't play perfectly.

If you got 100-0 by a mesmer, he did play perfectly and full zerk to make it happen

> @"Anput.4620" said:

> > @"Twilight Tempest.7584" said:

> > > @"Anput.4620" said:

> > > > @"Twilight Tempest.7584" said:

> > > > > @"Faaris.8013" said:

> > > > > > @"bOTEB.1573" said:

> > > > > > Ofc he can if you are afk. He can't dismount and down me, if I am not afk, ever. Because I have 3 dodges, his ability is 2,5 sec channeling, he can't stun or knock me back while mounted. I can't even imagine how can a ranger land all 10 hits from rapid fire on me if I have 3 dodges on my mount and if I am not afk. I can probably press all 3 dodges for 0,2 sec if not faster ;) But hey it is just me... I assume some people may need 10 sec to press a button, which is OK, really, but should we balance the professions, because of super slow reactions?

> > > > >

> > > > > Do you have anything else to add to the discussion other then "there is no problem, just get gud!"?

> > > >

> > > > Don't take it personally. [it's what he does](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/944011/#Comment_944011 "It's what he does"). Blindly defend his main to the end and ignore inconvenient truths.

> > > >

> > > > In fact, he legit [wants Sic 'Em _buffed_](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/76290/i-see-big-sic-em-problem/p1 "wants Sic 'Em _buffed_").

> > >

> > > I mean you have mesmer portrait, **anyone who plays condi mesmer can't complain**.

> >

> > Thanks for the meme! :joy:

>

> Not a meme, i got up from down the other day and immediately had 17 stacks of torment ticking on me for like 5k per tick. Along with chain invuls and evades, clones and mobility you literally have everything.

Did u go sh*t and when returned found out this 17 stacks?

So 10k auto-attacks from 1900 range is better than this 17 stacks? May be its unblockable? May be auto attacks its not everything(braindead 4-2 to kill you through your health and nearly kill your downedstate)? May be because soulbeast can easly oneshot you ? Cleanse sigil remove 3 condis every 9s on swap? Can I have sigil that make me immune to ranged attacks for 3s? That also work on unblockable effects?

Also you hate condis because your soulbeast on wvw can use passive/active signet and literally has 8 seconds invulnerability for power damage?

@"shadowpass.4236" Its smart to not engage into discussion when you couldnt read my post twice, thanks

> @"shadowpass.4236" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > On top of that... No clue what build he is talking about, sounds like classic 6/6/6/6/6/6

>

> So you don't remember the Scourge meta build everyone and their mother was using at PoF release? Hmm, it sounds like you don't have enough experience to offer constructive feedback. D=

>

> No, it was curses, soul reaping, and scourge. The 6/6/6/6/6/6 trait system you thought it "sounds like" was actually removed in 2015 before HoT was released.

>

> In conclusion, it seems like you're not only inexperienced, but also ignorant and attempting to derail the thread with severely outdated information.

I meant the mesmer that has spam leaps,3 breakstuns,breaktargets (since when its break channeling skills lol).

Its far away from being "free kill" as you trying to make it look. Your claims make no sense either. Mesmer always countered ranger? How about all the way of HoT that won mesmer all the way? Oh, you and your ridiculous claims as mesmer bursting from over 2.3k range xD

I have feeling like the most of people who use forums are from NA. For them power mesmer is some kind of ultimate god(hence why Eurantien complain power mirage is the most busted class/spec in the game,Zeromis farmed him too hard?:D), on EU there is no power mesmers at all. Cmirage is still busted on NA, we have Flandre that reroll to soulbeast on demand anyway. And so on.

If someone is ignorant - NA region, at this point we need separate forum for NA and EU region and we will see the difference

> @"mortrialus.3062" said:

> > @"shadowpass.4236" said:

> > Frankly, the amount of mesmers that have issues against the class they should beat the easiest is ridiculous. To put it into perspective, how silly would it look if every ranger made nerf threads against necromancers? lol

>

> .

>

> > @"shadowpass.4236" said:

> > > @IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII.4836 said:

> > > > @Hooglese.4860 said:

> > >

> > > > This isn't true. The higher the rank you are, the harder scourge is to beat. At low ranks people faceroll scourge, but don't know the game so they lose regardless due to bad rotations.

> > >

> > > The higher rank you are, the more you know that scourage is easy to beat, because you're a better player... You wouldn't have gotten there if you just gave up like every-other gold monkey complaining about scourages' low skill floor.

> >

> > Scourge is ridiculous at high ranks, they can literally walk to any point to +1, force a decap/cap, and walk away and no one can do anything about it because in plat, people peel and support correctly and the Scourge's know how to actually use their skills properly. Not to mention they are like a nuclear warhead in a team fight

>

> -[shadowpass.4236](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/275381/#Comment_275381 "shadowpass.4236")

>

> 

On top of that... No clue what build he is talking about, sounds like classic 6/6/6/6/6/6

> @"mortrialus.3062" said:

> > @"bOTEB.1573" said:

> > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > @"bOTEB.1573" said:

> > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > > >you want straight nerf just to feel better, which is sad, really. If I was a dev, I wouldn't dumb down the game for you.

> > > > > Thats what everyone wanted, nerf memser so they can facesmash against keyboard and win, which is happened. Why soulbeast should escape the same fate?

> > > >

> > > > Because Soulbeast is not viable at higher tiers, mesmer was and still is viable.

> > > > That is why Soulbeast should not only escape the same fate but also receive buffs.

> > > High tiers? Do you mean boonbeast/sic em lb that flashing in monthly AT's ? Ignore facts as much as you like but dont be surprised when ranger get deserved nerfs :)

> >

> > Yeah I mean the 4-5 SLBs (in total) that are in top 200 NA and the 2 that lost horribly at the mat final, where the 2 slbs lost them the game:)

> > We can count the top 200 meta builds 1 by 1, together, if you want and compare them with the 4-5 SLBs... Will be fun to see how "many" people play this "OP" build at higher tiers, and post the data here ;)

> > Let me know.

> >

>

> I can count 3 SLBs in the top 30 from the previous season. There's undoubtedly more in that top 30 I don't personally recognized and far far more in the rest of the top 250 I didn't try to tally up for this post.

>

> > @"bOTEB.1573" said:

> > The point is that OP like the mesmer a lot, it got nerfed and now he want to nerf everything else in order to bring his favorite profession, more or less, to its previous state. Part of his arguments are: "it's ok for slb but its not ok for mesmer?", "if mesmer got nerf hammered, everything else should too" etc. etc

> > Sorry, I agree with a guy from the previous posts:

> > "Someone has been playing an over powered Condi Mesmer and now seeking revenge. Over hyped unnecessary nerf calls."

>

> "The Boosted AF Scrublord's Prayer:

>

> My build is fine.

> And if you complain you're bad.

> And if you aren't bad you just don't know what you're talking about.

> And if you do know what you're talking about you just need to tweak your build.

> And if your build is good you're biased against my class.

> **And if you aren't biased, you're just bitter about previous nerfs.**

> And if you aren't bitter, my build can't be touched or the entire class wouldn't be viable anymore.

> And if would be then what about these OTHER OP builds?

> And if you want changes in other classes too, I deserve to be OP because of this one time years ago when it was underpowered."

This scrublord also cut/ignored half of my post :D

>Also they dont balance only around "high tiers" only, they nerfed DE despite it not being represented at high tiers,mesmer when their representation significantly dropped and power mesmer as well never been there. Mesmer viable - lol

> @"Twilight Tempest.7584" said:

>>@kiritsugu emeya.3962 said:

> > omg are u serious scrapper is useless it doesnt even counter you

>

> Did you just say Scrapper does not counter condi-Mirage?

> 

Ahahahahahhahahahahahaha

Just like everything else he trying answer to :joy:

> @"mortrialus.3062" said:

> > @"Flandre.2870" said:

> > > @"Twilight Tempest.7584" said:

> > > Well it's Metabattle-official: all Conquest mesmer builds have been downgraded to third tier "good", dropping below even the likes of Fire Weaver. I know Metabattle isn't the be-all, end-all, but the recently revised Conquest lineup seems fairly accurate.

> > >

> > > https://metabattle.com/wiki/Conquest

> > >

> > > Thanks to the person who brought this to my attention. :)

> >

> > Good. I actually enjoy condi mirage for once after these last couple nerfs.

> > Now they need to bring down kitten like holo,warr and rev and game will be good.

>

> Dunno how seriously I can take your "I like a challenge" when you jumped ship to Boonbeast back when it was the best 1v1 spec by a considerable margin.

Flandre always mained ranger, why playing ranger should be surprising ?

> @"bOTEB.1573" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > >you want straight nerf just to feel better, which is sad, really. If I was a dev, I wouldn't dumb down the game for you.

> > Thats what everyone wanted, nerf memser so they can facesmash against keyboard and win, which is happened. Why soulbeast should escape the same fate?

>

> Because Soulbeast is not viable at higher tiers, mesmer was and still is viable.

> That is why Soulbeast should not only escape the same fate but also receive buffs.

High tiers? Do you mean boonbeast/sic em lb that flashing in monthly AT's ? Ignore facts as much as you like but dont be surprised when ranger get deserved nerfs :)

Also they dont balance only around "high tiers" only, they nerfed DE despite it not being represented at high tiers,mesmer when their representation significantly dropped and power mesmer as well never been there. Mesmer viable - lol

> @"bOTEB.1573" said:

> > @"Twilight Tempest.7584" said:

> > > @"bOTEB.1573" said:

> > > > @"Twilight Tempest.7584" said:

> > > > snip

> > >

> > > Just scroll up and look at your posts - you are the one who started linking older posts.

> >

> > I cite _relevant_ posts for reference or to avoid repetition. You and another do it in a poor attempt to attack and discredit me. That's the difference.

> >

> > > And by the way a lot of people still think that mesmer should be further nerfed... again it is not only me - look at the [poll thread](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/77717/what-needs-a-nerf/p1 "poll thread").

> >

> > Indeed, some people surely will never be satisfied unless mesmer is deleted from the game. But I ask you: Which spec is actually leading the poll, and by a lot? ;)

> >

>

> Indeed, even more people won't be satisfied (like you) unless the MESMER is deleted from the game.

ftfy

> Anyway, ANET will make balance change mostly NOT based on the profession/spec performance in PvP, based on your or my opinion.

another fix

>you want straight nerf just to feel better, which is sad, really. If I was a dev, I wouldn't dumb down the game for you.

Thats what everyone wanted, nerf memser so they can facesmash against keyboard and win, which is happened. Why soulbeast should escape the same fate?

>Sorry bro - face the reality and move on.

Do that

> @"DigiQWill.6378" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > @"DigiQWill.6378" said:

> > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > > @"DigiQWill.6378" said:

> > > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said:

> > > > > > > @"Twilight Tempest.7584" said:

> > > > > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said:

> > > > > > > > > @"Zawn.9647" said:

> > > > > > > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > > > > > > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > @"Zawn.9647" said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > every single 1shot build should be nerfed - power mesmer, sb sic'em, etc...

> > > > > > > > > > > > every single immortal build should be nerfed such as Scrapper

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I agree. But you do realize the 1 shot pony trick is the only viable build there is for mesmers. Remove that, Mesmers might as well pillow fight.

> > > > > > > > > > If they return old condi mirage to be one of the strongest 1x1'er and not be totally r*ped by thieves... then they can delete power mesmer for all I care ;)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i'd rather fight 24/7 power mesmers than have the old condi mirage back without a second thought

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Agreed. Getting killed by power mes feels you you got out skilled but killed by Condi mes feels like cheese. If u can catch a power mes u can actually do dmg. While if u catch a Condi mes. It has enough tools tools to just port back. U also need to kill a Condi mes fast enough. Too slow u basically die, it's just not fun.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This coming from a former thief main which hard counters mesmer. Smh..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You really think condi-mirage, in mid-2019, after being nerfed for over a year, falling into third tier on Metabattle alongside things like _Dragonhunter_, rated even lower than _Fire Weaver_ (!), and becoming virtually nonexistent in ranked and AT, still requires a nerf?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Or is this a case of "don't touch [my meta specs](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/906866/#Comment_906866 "my meta specs"), so nerf mirage?"

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Oh I forgot, you're one of the ones with a permanent grudge that thinks "annoying", "pesky" mirage always needs nerfs. Go figure.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The "nerf teef" meme has clearly been supplanted by "nerf mes."

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It's not meta because scrapper destroys it. So does prot Holo. If those 2 things don't exist. You can bet there would still be Condi mirage every where.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It's still very viable when those 2 things and thief aren't in the match

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I also don't agree with what you say is "dh" tier. They both exist in p2. N i see them every day I play. In which I have to switch out of warrior

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sure if you want to call me that. I just don't like it's mechanic that even if u dodge it's attacks. Clones will still put condi on you. And the amount sustain, distort, staff 4, 2dodges, 2 jaunts, and depending on your traits another distort. Even if you are able to count which u can't cos there's too much clutter. It has enough to escape and kite.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With power mes. If u know what he has. N if u r able to catch him. He will be punished. And if you left him catch u. U r punished. With Condi mes. It's far more difficult to tell. I think that they can bring the dps back but Nerf the sustain.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That's my opinion and I am answering to this post

> > > > >

> > > > > WAIT A SECOND. You don't like mechanics that when you evade, it attacks? You're a warrior main right? Then you must know that the META for Warrior now is Dagger Strength Spellbreaker running Reckless Impact? You must know that!

> > > > >

> > > > > UNBLOCKABLE 2-4k damage (trust me, I play it sometimes when I troll around) from a dodge roll that attacks. Yet, you haven't said anything about that trait? Isn't that ever so slightly delusional?

> > > > >

> > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Reckless_Dodge

> > > > >

> > > > > Really, if you want to say that Mirage has it easy because clones can dodge, I can agree to a degree. Just don't omit to say that Warrior has the kit to answer to it (through blocks too because it's unblockable).

> > > > >

> > > > > As for the rest of your points... it counters your main, that's why you want it nerf, huh? That is so biased of a decision that I really think that you should rework your arguments. Warrior destroys most Mesmer builds right now, so long as it's played well.

> > > > >

> > > > > As for your last sentence... why would you want the damage back? But the sustain has to go? So that your Warrior can sustain through it after that? Seriously...

> > > > Its pointless bruh, you have to deal with NA kiddo. @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" had thread with a picture where he crit war with mighty blow 3k and take 6k from the dodge

> > >

> > > I'm from NA too... UwU

> > > Other than that... yeah, it's a dumb trait, like a lot of other traits in this game. I still think Firebrands and Holosmiths need to be toned down in their sustainability, as well as some buffs to the underdog classes of PvP. Like, is it that hard to split skills between gamemodes?

> > I highly disagree with you about buffing other classes... More and more people starting to play weavers both power and condi and I see no end of them here, lrod is ultra disgusting with amount of CC/damage/weakness they unload at you. After meta classes would be brought down we might see other classes as well. If this wont be enough then sure,make some changes.

>

> Agreed on that. I meant making QoL (quality of life) changes to certain specializations and weapons to make them less clunky in PvP.

Yis! A lot of weapons need rework or buffs.

> @"DigiQWill.6378" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > @"DigiQWill.6378" said:

> > > > @"TorQ.7041" said:

> > > > > @"Twilight Tempest.7584" said:

> > > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said:

> > > > > > > @"Zawn.9647" said:

> > > > > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > > > > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said:

> > > > > > > > > > @"Zawn.9647" said:

> > > > > > > > > > every single 1shot build should be nerfed - power mesmer, sb sic'em, etc...

> > > > > > > > > > every single immortal build should be nerfed such as Scrapper

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I agree. But you do realize the 1 shot pony trick is the only viable build there is for mesmers. Remove that, Mesmers might as well pillow fight.

> > > > > > > > If they return old condi mirage to be one of the strongest 1x1'er and not be totally r*ped by thieves... then they can delete power mesmer for all I care ;)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i'd rather fight 24/7 power mesmers than have the old condi mirage back without a second thought

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Agreed. Getting killed by power mes feels you you got out skilled but killed by Condi mes feels like cheese. If u can catch a power mes u can actually do dmg. While if u catch a Condi mes. It has enough tools tools to just port back. U also need to kill a Condi mes fast enough. Too slow u basically die, it's just not fun.

> > > > >

> > > > > This coming from a former thief main which hard counters mesmer. Smh..

> > > > >

> > > > > You really think condi-mirage, in mid-2019, after being nerfed for over a year, falling into third tier on Metabattle alongside things like _Dragonhunter_, rated even lower than _Fire Weaver_ (!), and becoming virtually nonexistent in ranked and AT, still requires a nerf?

> > > > >

> > > > > Or is this a case of "don't touch [my meta specs](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/906866/#Comment_906866 "my meta specs"), so nerf mirage?"

> > > > >

> > > > > Oh I forgot, you're one of the ones with a permanent grudge that thinks "annoying", "pesky" mirage always needs nerfs. Go figure.

> > > > >

> > > > > The "nerf teef" meme has clearly been supplanted by "nerf mes."

> > > >

> > > > It's not meta because scrapper destroys it. So does prot Holo. If those 2 things don't exist. You can bet there would still be Condi mirage every where.

> > > >

> > > > It's still very viable when those 2 things and thief aren't in the match

> > > >

> > > > I also don't agree with what you say is "dh" tier. They both exist in p2. N i see them every day I play. In which I have to switch out of warrior

> > > >

> > > > Sure if you want to call me that. I just don't like it's mechanic that even if u dodge it's attacks. Clones will still put condi on you. And the amount sustain, distort, staff 4, 2dodges, 2 jaunts, and depending on your traits another distort. Even if you are able to count which u can't cos there's too much clutter. It has enough to escape and kite.

> > > >

> > > > With power mes. If u know what he has. N if u r able to catch him. He will be punished. And if you left him catch u. U r punished. With Condi mes. It's far more difficult to tell. I think that they can bring the dps back but Nerf the sustain.

> > > >

> > > > That's my opinion and I am answering to this post

> > >

> > > WAIT A SECOND. You don't like mechanics that when you evade, it attacks? You're a warrior main right? Then you must know that the META for Warrior now is Dagger Strength Spellbreaker running Reckless Impact? You must know that!

> > >

> > > UNBLOCKABLE 2-4k damage (trust me, I play it sometimes when I troll around) from a dodge roll that attacks. Yet, you haven't said anything about that trait? Isn't that ever so slightly delusional?

> > >

> > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Reckless_Dodge

> > >

> > > Really, if you want to say that Mirage has it easy because clones can dodge, I can agree to a degree. Just don't omit to say that Warrior has the kit to answer to it (through blocks too because it's unblockable).

> > >

> > > As for the rest of your points... it counters your main, that's why you want it nerf, huh? That is so biased of a decision that I really think that you should rework your arguments. Warrior destroys most Mesmer builds right now, so long as it's played well.

> > >

> > > As for your last sentence... why would you want the damage back? But the sustain has to go? So that your Warrior can sustain through it after that? Seriously...

> > Its pointless bruh, you have to deal with NA kiddo. @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" had thread with a picture where he crit war with mighty blow 3k and take 6k from the dodge

>

> I'm from NA too... UwU

> Other than that... yeah, it's a dumb trait, like a lot of other traits in this game. I still think Firebrands and Holosmiths need to be toned down in their sustainability, as well as some buffs to the underdog classes of PvP. Like, is it that hard to split skills between gamemodes?

I highly disagree with you about buffing other classes... More and more people starting to play weavers both power and condi and I see no end of them here, lrod is ultra disgusting with amount of CC/damage/weakness they unload at you. After meta classes would be brought down we might see other classes as well. If this wont be enough then sure,make some changes.

> @"DigiQWill.6378" said:

> > @"TorQ.7041" said:

> > > @"Twilight Tempest.7584" said:

> > > > @"TorQ.7041" said:

> > > > > @"Zawn.9647" said:

> > > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said:

> > > > > > > > @"Zawn.9647" said:

> > > > > > > > every single 1shot build should be nerfed - power mesmer, sb sic'em, etc...

> > > > > > > > every single immortal build should be nerfed such as Scrapper

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I agree. But you do realize the 1 shot pony trick is the only viable build there is for mesmers. Remove that, Mesmers might as well pillow fight.

> > > > > > If they return old condi mirage to be one of the strongest 1x1'er and not be totally r*ped by thieves... then they can delete power mesmer for all I care ;)

> > > > >

> > > > > i'd rather fight 24/7 power mesmers than have the old condi mirage back without a second thought

> > > >

> > > > Agreed. Getting killed by power mes feels you you got out skilled but killed by Condi mes feels like cheese. If u can catch a power mes u can actually do dmg. While if u catch a Condi mes. It has enough tools tools to just port back. U also need to kill a Condi mes fast enough. Too slow u basically die, it's just not fun.

> > >

> > > This coming from a former thief main which hard counters mesmer. Smh..

> > >

> > > You really think condi-mirage, in mid-2019, after being nerfed for over a year, falling into third tier on Metabattle alongside things like _Dragonhunter_, rated even lower than _Fire Weaver_ (!), and becoming virtually nonexistent in ranked and AT, still requires a nerf?

> > >

> > > Or is this a case of "don't touch [my meta specs](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/906866/#Comment_906866 "my meta specs"), so nerf mirage?"

> > >

> > > Oh I forgot, you're one of the ones with a permanent grudge that thinks "annoying", "pesky" mirage always needs nerfs. Go figure.

> > >

> > > The "nerf teef" meme has clearly been supplanted by "nerf mes."

> >

> > It's not meta because scrapper destroys it. So does prot Holo. If those 2 things don't exist. You can bet there would still be Condi mirage every where.

> >

> > It's still very viable when those 2 things and thief aren't in the match

> >

> > I also don't agree with what you say is "dh" tier. They both exist in p2. N i see them every day I play. In which I have to switch out of warrior

> >

> > Sure if you want to call me that. I just don't like it's mechanic that even if u dodge it's attacks. Clones will still put condi on you. And the amount sustain, distort, staff 4, 2dodges, 2 jaunts, and depending on your traits another distort. Even if you are able to count which u can't cos there's too much clutter. It has enough to escape and kite.

> >

> > With power mes. If u know what he has. N if u r able to catch him. He will be punished. And if you left him catch u. U r punished. With Condi mes. It's far more difficult to tell. I think that they can bring the dps back but Nerf the sustain.

> >

> > That's my opinion and I am answering to this post

>

> WAIT A SECOND. You don't like mechanics that when you evade, it attacks? You're a warrior main right? Then you must know that the META for Warrior now is Dagger Strength Spellbreaker running Reckless Impact? You must know that!

>

> UNBLOCKABLE 2-4k damage (trust me, I play it sometimes when I troll around) from a dodge roll that attacks. Yet, you haven't said anything about that trait? Isn't that ever so slightly delusional?

>

> https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Reckless_Dodge

>

> Really, if you want to say that Mirage has it easy because clones can dodge, I can agree to a degree. Just don't omit to say that Warrior has the kit to answer to it (through blocks too because it's unblockable).

>

> As for the rest of your points... it counters your main, that's why you want it nerf, huh? That is so biased of a decision that I really think that you should rework your arguments. Warrior destroys most Mesmer builds right now, so long as it's played well.

>

> As for your last sentence... why would you want the damage back? But the sustain has to go? So that your Warrior can sustain through it after that? Seriously...

Its pointless bruh, you have to deal with NA kiddo.

Taken from AngelsLo...something thread


> @"Safandula.8723" said:

> > @"Xstein.2187" said:

> > > @"Safandula.8723" said:

> > > > @"Solori.6025" said:

> > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said:

> > > > > > @"Heartpains.7312" said:

> > > > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said:

> > > > > > > Am I the only one who thinks, that Mesmer has the best real choice of choosing traits? I know all master dueling traits are kitten now, but overall this class has the most usefull traits in the game.

> > > > > > > IMO

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We don't really have choices, and we have many dead/killed traits and skills.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ofc, i just think, other classes have much more of dead skills and traits and would need rewamp more than mesmer

> > > >

> > > > I have to disagree with this as well..

> > > > Mesmer has the illusion of choice.

> > > > Where the traits sound good on paper. Then in practice they don't work.

> > > >

> > > > What other classes are you thinking of? I am curious.

> > >

> > > Rev, thief, engi, Necro. Among these classes, Mesmer has the biggest choice of usefull traits.

> > > Lot of Mesmer traits may have balance issues, but a lot of them can change the way u play. While other classes has traits that just give u x or y, give passive something, moar dmg

> >

> > Can you plz name what trait choices you are talking about?

>

> domi, for double phantasm, boonstriping, stun, quickness, more dmg on shatter, or dmg on interrupts

> dueling for dmg mainly, but also for decoy and few kitten master traits

> inspiration, for condi cleanse, healing from mantras, res trait, and lot of distortion ( yea i play it on power build)

> not sure about illu, i find it kinda useless outside of pve

> chaos, for shiton of boons, superspeed, stealth,chaos armor and protection

>

> now look at thief which traits i know the most

>

> ur always forced to take trickery cuz of how useless ur steal is without it, and for prepardness

> now u can take cs or DA, 2 traitlines that gives dmg. cs brings more constant dmg, but DA boost ur burst. if thief doesnt take any of these traitlines, he doesnt deal any dmg (he can if spamming vault all the time). also da is kinda better, since thief has 11k base hp so he cant deal constant dmg and is forced to burst and run.

> acro is good for mem builds without dmg, or core s/d

> SA is kitten

>

> yea i play chrono in wvw, where i have much more freedom of choice and not touching pvp atm. yea certainly if ur thinking about pvp only, than in contest, there is something as meta, and other build might not be that usefull. hope ur aware what contest is, and what dictates of rules out there

>

> but yeah, plz cry further about how badly designed is mesmer, and why it needs more love than other classes, hf

tlrd: domi : you always take it for any GS build always picking 1-1-3(depends on your choice solely,most likely PB). First two a must have, what a big choice !1111

Dueling a traitline taken only for two grandmaster traits. Auto decoy is trash that self interrupt the user, a must have if you want to use pistol and a must have for every mesmer build that is not a bunker.

Illusions - nc,dead traitline, thank you anet for rework!

Chaos the only traitline you can pick something "different" but most likely its always the same manipulation trait,staff trait and the last one is probably BD (some play CI which is rare). A must have for cmirage. (O, PU is taken by core mesmers who dont wanna buy expansions)

Inspiration is taken for exactly three same traits regardless (3-2-3). Mostly in bunker type of builds. Will you take rev trait or mantra over cleanse? You must be insane.

So where is the choice? A few grandmaster traits ?

Heck, have you even seen the other DEAD traits?Dont need an attention ? No ? Dont care?

> @"otto.5684" said:

> I did a similar thread for guardian a while back. This is not a Mesmer exclusive problem unfortunately. However the dev team is very busy you guys know. The paper planes are not going to make themselves ?

>

> > @"Solori.6025" said:

> > > @"Safandula.8723" said:

> > > > @"Heartpains.7312" said:

> > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said:

> > > > > Am I the only one who thinks, that Mesmer has the best real choice of choosing traits? I know all master dueling traits are kitten now, but overall this class has the most usefull traits in the game.

> > > > > IMO

> > > >

> > > > We don't really have choices, and we have many dead/killed traits and skills.

> > >

> > > Ofc, i just think, other classes have much more of dead skills and traits and would need rewamp more than mesmer

> >

> > I have to disagree with this as well..

> > Mesmer has the illusion of choice.

> > Where the traits sound good on paper. Then in practice they don't work.

> >

> > What other classes are you thinking of? I am curious.

>

> What context are we talking? Mesmer right now is the worst class in sPvP. I do not WvW, but I know Mesmer is a good roamer, both power and condi. That is more than most classes. Group PvE, Mesmer has viable power, condi and support builds. They are not the best, but they perform well.

>

> Open world PvE, I strongly disagree. Mesmer is currently the best class in open world PvE, with loads of viable setups.

>

> And honestly, all classes have limited useful traits and skills. The illusion of choice applies to all classes. Mesmer in PvE has it better than most.

This. I was thinking to write something similar to this. In pve u have different builds. In pvp... ? God damn,they still crying about it xD

And safandula dont even play mesmer further than PVE,so I guess this helicopter is talking only about pve

> @"TorQ.7041" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > @"TorQ.7041" said:

> > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said:

> > > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > > > > @"Twilight Tempest.7584" said:

> > > > > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said:

> > > > > > > > > @"Zawn.9647" said:

> > > > > > > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > > > > > > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > @"Zawn.9647" said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > every single 1shot build should be nerfed - power mesmer, sb sic'em, etc...

> > > > > > > > > > > > every single immortal build should be nerfed such as Scrapper

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I agree. But you do realize the 1 shot pony trick is the only viable build there is for mesmers. Remove that, Mesmers might as well pillow fight.

> > > > > > > > > > If they return old condi mirage to be one of the strongest 1x1'er and not be totally r*ped by thieves... then they can delete power mesmer for all I care ;)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i'd rather fight 24/7 power mesmers than have the old condi mirage back without a second thought

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Agreed. Getting killed by power mes feels you you got out skilled but killed by Condi mes feels like cheese. If u can catch a power mes u can actually do dmg. While if u catch a Condi mes. It has enough tools tools to just port back. U also need to kill a Condi mes fast enough. Too slow u basically die, it's just not fun.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This coming from a former thief main which hard counters mesmer. Smh..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You really think condi-mirage, in mid-2019, after being nerfed for over a year, falling into third tier on Metabattle alongside things like _Dragonhunter_, rated even lower than _Fire Weaver_ (!), and becoming virtually nonexistent in ranked and AT, still requires a nerf?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Or is this a case of "don't touch [my meta specs](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/906866/#Comment_906866 "my meta specs"), so nerf mirage?"

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Oh I forgot, you're one of the ones with a permanent grudge that thinks "annoying", "pesky" mirage always needs nerfs. Go figure.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The "nerf teef" meme has clearly been supplanted by "nerf mes."

> > > > > > Delusional gold thief main. Suddenly got into plat after rerolling to rampage-main. Now he think he is equal to legendary EU players :joy:

> > > > > > 

> > > > > > ^From an old ESL player

> > > > >

> > > > > Actually I play Holo scrapper and ranger in ranked. Less than war but still. Anything other than thief basically.

> > > > >

> > > > > Salty aren't you. Every one was gold once. I havent been gold for 4 seasons n I ve only played for 6 lol. So yeah according to your logic you are a salty silver mes cos I am sure u we're silver once. Look up the leader board. I am on it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yeah I have zero problems as thief vs mes. But that's not the point. I don't find it fun to have a mesmer passively hitting you via clones while u have a set amount of time to kill him b4 u die.. Sounds like you are a mes main. I am ok with power cos I feel like once u get them u can do something about it.

> > > > I dont even know what to think about this pile of nonsense...

> > > > Hard to be something lower than plat when you never drop there or being calibrated :joy:

> > > > Even after my thread about elite spam (and defending rampage) u still didnt figure I'm not from NA? /facepalm

> > > >

> > >

> > > Checked your other post. Apparently you lose to rampage. ? As mesmer ???? yeah I am done talking to you lol. A Condi mes that loses to warrior. The one class that is it's complete counter. And you are plat? Lol

> > Even quadriple facepalm wont be enough to describe your stupidity tbh... what condi mes... what counter? :confused:

> > Didnt play cmirage for ages but after they deleted blind shatter I'm pretty sure it doesnt coutner your beloved rampage main anymore.

> > Ye, feelsbad to be p3 with bers mesmer and not be delusional what is OP. I wish I would be a mere rampage main :wink:

> > >I also don't see how that has any form of weight or is relevant to anything. That I was once gold. That's basically you using an insult. Nothing to do with discussion.

> > No, insulting part was calling you rampage-main that being carried by rampage alone

>

> Lol if u think one skill can carry to plat. I dunno who's the stuipd one ???

It did carry you, a living proof. :wink:

> @"TorQ.7041" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > @"TorQ.7041" said:

> > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > > @"Twilight Tempest.7584" said:

> > > > > > @"TorQ.7041" said:

> > > > > > > @"Zawn.9647" said:

> > > > > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > > > > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said:

> > > > > > > > > > @"Zawn.9647" said:

> > > > > > > > > > every single 1shot build should be nerfed - power mesmer, sb sic'em, etc...

> > > > > > > > > > every single immortal build should be nerfed such as Scrapper

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I agree. But you do realize the 1 shot pony trick is the only viable build there is for mesmers. Remove that, Mesmers might as well pillow fight.

> > > > > > > > If they return old condi mirage to be one of the strongest 1x1'er and not be totally r*ped by thieves... then they can delete power mesmer for all I care ;)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i'd rather fight 24/7 power mesmers than have the old condi mirage back without a second thought

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Agreed. Getting killed by power mes feels you you got out skilled but killed by Condi mes feels like cheese. If u can catch a power mes u can actually do dmg. While if u catch a Condi mes. It has enough tools tools to just port back. U also need to kill a Condi mes fast enough. Too slow u basically die, it's just not fun.

> > > > >

> > > > > This coming from a former thief main which hard counters mesmer. Smh..

> > > > >

> > > > > You really think condi-mirage, in mid-2019, after being nerfed for over a year, falling into third tier on Metabattle alongside things like _Dragonhunter_, rated even lower than _Fire Weaver_ (!), and becoming virtually nonexistent in ranked and AT, still requires a nerf?

> > > > >

> > > > > Or is this a case of "don't touch [my meta specs](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/906866/#Comment_906866 "my meta specs"), so nerf mirage?"

> > > > >

> > > > > Oh I forgot, you're one of the ones with a permanent grudge that thinks "annoying", "pesky" mirage always needs nerfs. Go figure.

> > > > >

> > > > > The "nerf teef" meme has clearly been supplanted by "nerf mes."

> > > > Delusional gold thief main. Suddenly got into plat after rerolling to rampage-main. Now he think he is equal to legendary EU players :joy:

> > > > 

> > > > ^From an old ESL player

> > >

> > > Actually I play Holo scrapper and ranger in ranked. Less than war but still. Anything other than thief basically.

> > >

> > > Salty aren't you. Every one was gold once. I havent been gold for 4 seasons n I ve only played for 6 lol. So yeah according to your logic you are a salty silver mes cos I am sure u we're silver once. Look up the leader board. I am on it.

> > >

> > > Yeah I have zero problems as thief vs mes. But that's not the point. I don't find it fun to have a mesmer passively hitting you via clones while u have a set amount of time to kill him b4 u die.. Sounds like you are a mes main. I am ok with power cos I feel like once u get them u can do something about it.

> > I dont even know what to think about this pile of nonsense...

> > Hard to be something lower than plat when you never drop there or being calibrated :joy:

> > Even after my thread about elite spam (and defending rampage) u still didnt figure I'm not from NA? /facepalm

> >

>

> Checked your other post. Apparently you lose to rampage. ? As mesmer ???? yeah I am done talking to you lol. A Condi mes that loses to warrior. The one class that is it's complete counter. And you are plat? Lol

Even quadriple facepalm wont be enough to describe your stupidity tbh... what condi mes... what counter? :confused:

Didnt play cmirage for ages but after they deleted blind shatter I'm pretty sure it doesnt coutner your beloved rampage main anymore.

Ye, feelsbad to be p3 with bers mesmer and not be delusional what is OP. I wish I would be a mere rampage main :wink:

>I also don't see how that has any form of weight or is relevant to anything. That I was once gold. That's basically you using an insult. Nothing to do with discussion.

No, insulting part was calling you rampage-main that being carried by rampage alone

> @"TorQ.7041" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > @"Twilight Tempest.7584" said:

> > > > @"TorQ.7041" said:

> > > > > @"Zawn.9647" said:

> > > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said:

> > > > > > > > @"Zawn.9647" said:

> > > > > > > > every single 1shot build should be nerfed - power mesmer, sb sic'em, etc...

> > > > > > > > every single immortal build should be nerfed such as Scrapper

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I agree. But you do realize the 1 shot pony trick is the only viable build there is for mesmers. Remove that, Mesmers might as well pillow fight.

> > > > > > If they return old condi mirage to be one of the strongest 1x1'er and not be totally r*ped by thieves... then they can delete power mesmer for all I care ;)

> > > > >

> > > > > i'd rather fight 24/7 power mesmers than have the old condi mirage back without a second thought

> > > >

> > > > Agreed. Getting killed by power mes feels you you got out skilled but killed by Condi mes feels like cheese. If u can catch a power mes u can actually do dmg. While if u catch a Condi mes. It has enough tools tools to just port back. U also need to kill a Condi mes fast enough. Too slow u basically die, it's just not fun.

> > >

> > > This coming from a former thief main which hard counters mesmer. Smh..

> > >

> > > You really think condi-mirage, in mid-2019, after being nerfed for over a year, falling into third tier on Metabattle alongside things like _Dragonhunter_, rated even lower than _Fire Weaver_ (!), and becoming virtually nonexistent in ranked and AT, still requires a nerf?

> > >

> > > Or is this a case of "don't touch [my meta specs](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/906866/#Comment_906866 "my meta specs"), so nerf mirage?"

> > >

> > > Oh I forgot, you're one of the ones with a permanent grudge that thinks "annoying", "pesky" mirage always needs nerfs. Go figure.

> > >

> > > The "nerf teef" meme has clearly been supplanted by "nerf mes."

> > Delusional gold thief main. Suddenly got into plat after rerolling to rampage-main. Now he think he is equal to legendary EU players :joy:

> > 

> > ^From an old ESL player

>

> Actually I play Holo scrapper and ranger in ranked. Less than war but still. Anything other than thief basically.

>

> Salty aren't you. Every one was gold once. I havent been gold for 4 seasons n I ve only played for 6 lol. So yeah according to your logic you are a salty silver mes cos I am sure u we're silver once. Look up the leader board. I am on it.

>

> Yeah I have zero problems as thief vs mes. But that's not the point. I don't find it fun to have a mesmer passively hitting you via clones while u have a set amount of time to kill him b4 u die.. Sounds like you are a mes main. I am ok with power cos I feel like once u get them u can do something about it.

I dont even know what to think about this pile of nonsense...

Hard to be something lower than plat when you never drop there or being calibrated :joy:

Even after my thread about elite spam (and defending rampage) u still didnt figure I'm not from NA? /facepalm

> @"mortrialus.3062" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > @"Arheundel.6451" said:

> > >mirage gave you a distorted sense of reality

> > Ironically...perfectly suits your case. I dont even know anymore what to tell to people that being lost in clones or trying to beat dead horse ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>

> Even when Condi Mirage was at it's most lethal (February to July 2018 after the phantasm work) at the high end of play there were plenty of builds that just stalled it out and contested the nodes in perpetuity; Spellbreaker, Prot Holo, Scrapper both before and after the gyro rework, SD Weaver, Boonbeast. All competitive. All going toe to toe with Condition Mirage at it's absolute peak.

>

> You'd figured if they were going to gut condi mirage's damage by 50-70% across the board for both it's shatters and all of it's weapon skills that builds that were going toe to toe with Condi Mirage would also have gotten some nerfs as well. And aside from Boonbeast getting serious nerfs along side Mirage everything was either ridiculously buffed like Spellbreakers with Rampage and Shake it Off or left untouched.

You know it better than me, Anet do not balance based on analysis/whatever but on outcry of forum and twitchape.

Instead of nerfs holo keep getting buffed and gets even more busted skills to play with instead of nerfs (some dev playing helps)

> @"Vieux P.1238" said:

> > @"Twilight Tempest.7584" said:

> > 

> >

> > https://metabattle.com/wiki/Conquest

>

> NO! It's still GooD ....................... NerF It.... more!

Even when its reached DH tier they want more nerfs, bravo ! (ele is higher, pog)

> @"lightstalker.1498" said:

> > @"Mbelch.9028" said:

> > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > @"Mbelch.9028" said:

> > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > > > @"Aeolus.3615" said:

> > > > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > > > > > @"Aeolus.3615" said:

> > > > > > > > Some bots usually log off if receives pm’s.

> > > > > > > They are running in offline mode 99% of times, everyone who I checked were offline

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > what if Anet remove offline?? Xd

> > > > > Chances anet will do anything useful is... not high... NA top1 still occupied by a guy who bought it with real money? Noodic guy made a video about it even and guy who sells top places at NA xD

> > > > > What if they dont do anything...?Thats probably a right guess

> > > >

> > > > Your evidence for the No. 1 spot being a real money transaction is? Forum hearsay is bad, but just randomly spouting that kind of accusation is worse.

> > > Probably he just kindly asked "hey guys,make me a god pvp because I'm a nice guy" and they did :joy: . Silver3-gold1 EU suddenly became TOP1 of NA among monsters like TEAM USA.... Ha-ha.

> > > Watch Noody channel for video part2 ?

> >

> > I watched it... That happened in 2017, and all parties involved were punished. It's a well-known thing that happened years ago and has since become a meme. That didn't happen this year.

>

> https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/members/Malediktus-9250/showposts

> post 7

> post 17

> nice growth in talent if not suspect

> 

>

I dont understand why he would try to protect obvious fact of wintrade/real money payment. Just because they didnt post a video how certan "NA TEAM" gets paid it doesnt mean it didnt happen. Worst thing that when Ben was quoted the thread got deleted, in like 30 minutes?

> @"Arheundel.6451" said:

>mirage gave you a distorted sense of reality

Ironically...perfectly suits your case. I dont even know anymore what to tell to people that being lost in clones or trying to beat dead horse ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

> @"Mbelch.9028" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > @"Aeolus.3615" said:

> > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > > @"Aeolus.3615" said:

> > > > > Some bots usually log off if receives pm’s.

> > > > They are running in offline mode 99% of times, everyone who I checked were offline

> > >

> > >

> > > what if Anet remove offline?? Xd

> > Chances anet will do anything useful is... not high... NA top1 still occupied by a guy who bought it with real money? Noodic guy made a video about it even and guy who sells top places at NA xD

> > What if they dont do anything...?Thats probably a right guess

>

> Your evidence for the No. 1 spot being a real money transaction is? Forum hearsay is bad, but just randomly spouting that kind of accusation is worse.

Probably he just kindly asked "hey guys,make me a god pvp because I'm a nice guy" and they did :joy: . Silver3-gold1 EU suddenly became TOP1 of NA among monsters like TEAM USA.... Ha-ha.

Watch Noody channel for video part2 ?

> @"Snellibee.2761" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > @"Snellibee.2761" said:

> > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > Did you just describe theif ? Minus clones of course (low cd blinks made me chuckle tbh)

> > > Atleast thief doesn't have the damage and can't stay alive as long as mirage can. Also compared to a teleport like Ele has, blink is very short on CD (24s with trait)

> > > > I dont even know... never happened to be in your situation, may be your screen is too small? :D

> > > Oh don't act like a kitten

> > > > Thats all your opinion, I'd rather fight mesmer than holo for an example.

> > > Atleast you can see who the holo is and what he is doing

> > > > Or their ability to wintrade, smurf on alts and win/lose on demand if this helps to secrute their position.

> > > My point was merely about that classes on the leaderboards are no accurate representation of how good the class is

> > So your main complaint that you cant find real mesmer... pretty huge l2p lol. There is no good player that struggle to find real mesmer.

> > So you prefer busted holo because he has no clones... because once again you cant find real mesmer... 2k19 but people still struggle...

> > Pretty much everyone know that there is no better duo than 2 revs at AT/ranked, you have to be extremely biased/delusional to deny that

>

> You're actually horrible to have a discussion with because you always think I mean something that I don't. You act like a child and don't discuss properly.

> I've watched enough players on Twitch that are miles better than you say "who the kitten is the real Mesmer" so don't act like nobody has a problem with it dude.

You dont even know how good I am to make an assumptions kid, then tell someone they act like a child xD

Oh ... Now random rants from "twitch players" is a proof for everything? Good to know ! /s

Especially certain clueless twitch-yt monkaS with his rants LOOK THIS SKILL DOES SOMETHING! Clones have too much hp!111. (2400 hp is too much,ya)

Solid proof, not like they only complain about being lost in clones,they even complain how their main is terribly weak despite its crying for nerfs

> But then again there hasn't been one Mesmer main on this whole forum that had the capability to have a proper discussion especially about their class, you're not an exception.

The same about any "main" that being delusional and biased,you are not an exception, we had it before,rev must be broken because "Sindrener said so" somewhere at one of his stream, the other dude Pseudomaster ketsu- "calling rev OP is wrong!" -> shows video with 2-3 revs in teams.

Besides there was many sane mesmer mains that said what is broken and what need a fix, but they all were ignored. If they dont agree that their class must be trashed they "have no capability to have a proper discussion about their class".

You are just obnoxious and impossible to have a discussion with, if this can be called "discussion"

> @"Jazz.4639" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > @"viquing.8254" said:

> > > I would love to see the full match vs Fly (just because it's a really hard counter to power mes.).

> > > Interesting uses of Illusion of life. I will give it a try next season.

> > > I noticed the wink with vertical sword 3 teleport ;).

> > Force Jaz to q into Levin and record it :joy:

>

> i had one match vs levin i remember, he could kill me one time the whole match after trying a lot. in the second half of the match he switched target to the rev in my team. my team won that match ;)

And I said ...record :D