praqtos.9035

> @"viquing.8254" said:

> I would love to see the full match vs Fly (just because it's a really hard counter to power mes.).

> Interesting uses of Illusion of life. I will give it a try next season.

> I noticed the wink with vertical sword 3 teleport ;).

Force Jaz to q into Levin and record it :joy:

> @"Aeolus.3615" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > @"Aeolus.3615" said:

> > > Some bots usually log off if receives pm’s.

> > They are running in offline mode 99% of times, everyone who I checked were offline

>

>

> what if Anet remove offline?? Xd

Chances anet will do anything useful is... not high... NA top1 still occupied by a guy who bought it with real money? Noodic guy made a video about it even and guy who sells top places at NA xD

What if they dont do anything...?Thats probably a right guess

> @"Aeolus.3615" said:

> Some bots usually log off if receives pm’s.

They are running in offline mode 99% of times, everyone who I checked were offline,nearly everyone.

> @"Snellibee.2761" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > @"Snellibee.2761" said:

> > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > > @"Zawn.9647" said:

> > > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said:

> > > > > > > > @"Zawn.9647" said:

> > > > > > > > every single 1shot build should be nerfed - power mesmer, sb sic'em, etc...

> > > > > > > > every single immortal build should be nerfed such as Scrapper

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I agree. But you do realize the 1 shot pony trick is the only viable build there is for mesmers. Remove that, Mesmers might as well pillow fight.

> > > > > > If they return old condi mirage to be one of the strongest 1x1'er and not be totally r*ped by thieves... then they can delete power mesmer for all I care ;)

> > > > >

> > > > > i'd rather fight 24/7 power mesmers than have the old condi mirage back without a second thought

> > > > Why not? Its not oneshot. Mesmer alrdy have no viable builds left. So they have to give us something else = sustained dps. Mirage is perfect, except its too bad now. So return old one and we are equal :)

> > >

> > > Mesmers already have the most annoying and kitten mechanics in the game so that's your 'something'. Theres no class like mesmer that makes me go like "I really cba to even bother fighting this 1v1"

> > Hard to understand what you even talking about, are you lost in clones? Accept my condolences

>

> Clones, stealth and low CD blinks paired with invulnerablity frames while you're attacking are all mechanics that absolutely suck to play against. Happens to be Mirage has all of these.

Did you just describe theif ? Minus clones of course (low cd blinks made me chuckle tbh)

> Just one mesmer is already able to fill the screen with clones cluttering the UI with your name giving you actual eye cancer. Two mesmers pooping out clones next to eachother is another level

I dont even know... never happened to be in your situation, may be your screen is too small? :D

> In no way I think Mirage is still broken numberswise, however mirage is still stupid to play against and requires a lot more effort than facing other classes.

Thats all your opinion, I'd rather fight mesmer than holo for an example.

> @"Snellibee.2761" said:

> > @"Lala.8752" said:

> > u just need to watch the ladder and high lvl game the broken class at the moment is revenant but this class is too hard for gold player

>

> Watching the ladder to determine what class is op or not is actually beyond stupid. It's not the class that got these people on the top leaderboards. It's their own personal skill and awareness of the game

Or their ability to wintrade, smurf on alts and win/lose on demand if this helps to secure their position.

> @"Snellibee.2761" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > @"Zawn.9647" said:

> > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said:

> > > > > > @"Zawn.9647" said:

> > > > > > every single 1shot build should be nerfed - power mesmer, sb sic'em, etc...

> > > > > > every single immortal build should be nerfed such as Scrapper

> > > > >

> > > > > I agree. But you do realize the 1 shot pony trick is the only viable build there is for mesmers. Remove that, Mesmers might as well pillow fight.

> > > > If they return old condi mirage to be one of the strongest 1x1'er and not be totally r*ped by thieves... then they can delete power mesmer for all I care ;)

> > >

> > > i'd rather fight 24/7 power mesmers than have the old condi mirage back without a second thought

> > Why not? Its not oneshot. Mesmer alrdy have no viable builds left. So they have to give us something else = sustained dps. Mirage is perfect, except its too bad now. So return old one and we are equal :)

>

> Mesmers already have the most annoying and kitten mechanics in the game so that's your 'something'. Theres no class like mesmer that makes me go like "I really cba to even bother fighting this 1v1"

Hard to understand what you even talking about, are you lost in clones? Accept my condolences

> @"Arheundel.6451" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > @"Zawn.9647" said:

> > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > > @"Zawn.9647" said:

> > > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said:

> > > > > > > > @"Zawn.9647" said:

> > > > > > > > every single 1shot build should be nerfed - power mesmer, sb sic'em, etc...

> > > > > > > > every single immortal build should be nerfed such as Scrapper

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I agree. But you do realize the 1 shot pony trick is the only viable build there is for mesmers. Remove that, Mesmers might as well pillow fight.

> > > > > > If they return old condi mirage to be one of the strongest 1x1'er and not be totally r*ped by thieves... then they can delete power mesmer for all I care ;)

> > > > >

> > > > > i'd rather fight 24/7 power mesmers than have the old condi mirage back without a second thought

> > > > Why not? Its not oneshot. Mesmer alrdy have no viable builds left. So they have to give us something else = sustained dps. Mirage is perfect, except its too bad now. So return old one and we are equal :)

> > >

> > > because mirage had ridiculous levels of condi applications while having amazing defenses in form of evades/invul/blink/stealth as well as inflicting confusion + torment so you need to stand still and not cast anything after you cleanse the first batch - and it was frequent enough that was impossible to dodge everything and/or cleanse everything :)

> > >

> > > tl:dr; it was boring af to fight against - and a game should be fun, right? right? :D

> > Too bad mesmer evade dropped to one of the lowest(ofc I dont count facetank lads as necro/guardian). Damage was cut by 50-67% all over the place and confusions lasts few seconds... It would be fine if they wouldnt nerf power mesmer to be even worse than its used to be.

> > That must be hella lot of fun to be hardstuck in dominance of fb/scourge/engi/rev/rampagemains... probably its fun when you play 1 of these (small addition: burncancerweavers)

>

> ""dont get all these ppl with holo nerfs, it honestly feel well rounded imo. sure we hurt like hell but i feel like u should kite those flashy attacks. u dont stand around in scourges circles either so why get close to a holo when he's in holomode. besides, hes supposed to hurt, be smart and play around it, all skills have obvious tells so yea .__. ""

>

> in Nerfs other than mesmer. Comment by praqtos.9035 May 7, 2018""

>

>

> I feel like ....what more to add..typical forum bias..but anyway be smart and play around all you want nerfed

You are correct 100%. You are one of these typically biased people, despite mesmer complains are dead long ago you still want it nerfed :joy:

> @"Solori.6025" said:

> Something Something Dodge.

> Something Something Its a meme build so it's ok.

>

> Something Something no one plays it so it's ok.

> Something something you're a mirage [ Insert generic mesmer hate and derail attempt]{ LOL}

Wasnt at monthly NA 2 sic em soulbeasts? I didnt see if there were 2 but for sure at least 1 was sic em xD

But anyway I think holo deserve way more and harder nerfs than soulbeast, lol

> @"Vague Memory.2817" said:

> The design of PB is ridiculous anyway. It is ineffective against 1 class (thief) because they have no CD. For some reason thief was designed originally as a hard counter class to mes. Look at consume plasma, out of all the steals against the classes they choose mes to give thief all boons in the game for a silly amount of time

Steal happens roughly every 10 seconds and every 10 seconds he get 2 plasma...Like they desperately wanted thief to coutner cmirage,mirage got stomped to the ground,plasma is still even more busted than ever...

And ofc thief is immune to chill/interrupts. Not like they dont have enough unstacasts

> @"melandru.3876" said:

> obviously power block would not work on autoattack (skill 1) else it would be a long duration daze

>

>

> don't you think?

>

> or having all weaponskills on cooldown, to get your autoatatck on a 15 sec cd so you can walk circles, sounds like a great idea

>

>

> the icd also only is for pve, players have no breakbar.

>

> it's literally the same as superior sigil of draining/absorbtion/you name it

Your comment make no sense at all, why you bother posting? (If OP confused you, I didnt mean it should powerblock autos but it blocks mirage ambush which takes place of auto)

Why bother with new maps/balance?

More skins = everyone are happy. Skins that what this game needs !

> @"Engal.6359" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > @"Engal.6359" said:

> > > > @"Arkantos.7460" said:

> > > > no plz nerf soulbeast before

> > > > their arrogance has grown to far

> > >

> > > I smell a rev main...

> >

> >

>

> First of all that's not the actual quote. Second I main mirage not rev. But now that you brought it up rev is also insanely powercrept in pvp and needs a nerf...

Dude you quote is a rev main thats why I "fixed" your message.

> @"Lincolnbeard.1735" said:

> True.

> Except mesmer's entire traitlines are trash:

> Duel - 2 good grandmasters, rest is trash.

> Illusion - 1 good adept, rest is trash.

> Mirage - 1 good grandmaster, rest is trash.

>

Pretty much. You go for 1-2 good traits in the entire traitline xD

From more tests : doesnt do damage/weakness more often than once per 3 seconds but can apply 15s cd on skills. Doesnt work as intended anyway.I

mo should do extra damage if target was immune to power block effect, except it was an auto attack. Looking at thieves ;)

> @"Delofasht.4231" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > @"Daccura.4769" said:

> > I just described in OP an example, thats pathetic 1500 base damage once per 3 seconds IF you interrupt. If anything this should crit fo liker 6k as huge punishment,not pathetic 1.500

>

> 1500 damage is fine without an ICD on players, which it specifically says only an ICD on defiance bar enemies (PvE content).

>

> "This trait can only damage enemies with **defiance bars** once per interval"

>

> This does not apply to players, you are assuming without footage of it's failures. Meaning, unless you are showing it's broken in the way you describe, then you are just not using it appropriately. Yes autoattack abilities are not placed on a 10s CD, simply because that would be a bit odd to lock someone out of using basic attacks.

Wrote about it alrdy but if you are blind I cant help you.

> @"Engal.6359" said:

> > @"Arkantos.7460" said:

> > no plz nerf soulbeast before

> > their arrogance has grown to far

>

> I smell a rev main...

> @"Daccura.4769" said:

I just described in OP an example, thats pathetic 1500 base damage once per 3 seconds IF you interrupt. If anything this should crit fo liker 6k as huge punishment,not pathetic 1.500

> @"Delofasht.4231" said:

> How are you testing to see if it works or not? Also, do you have any footage from both players perspectives to show what is happening?

>

> A grandmaster trait like this failing to function on players would be most unfortunate. Usually I do not use Domination, but have been interested it in more lately since picking up a one handed sword on mirage.

Why should I have a footage to prove something is bugged? Especially from both lol

I didnt know myself even tho I was using it and noticed that skills I interrupt are not getting 15s cd but literally 3-4 seconds later.

It was simple : grab a friend, he will spam autos,interrupt with mantra, he can breakstun or wait this 1.5s daze,then he continue to spam autos,u interrupt second time, no damage proc, just regular interrupt, no weakness either

Power Block: The damage of this skill has been increased by 20% so that it now matches its tooltip. This trait can no longer critically hit foes.

^ From the patch notes. Players dont have defiant bar. This trait must be fixed.

I mean, should I just go to bug report section ? OR ?

> @"apharma.3741" said:

> > @"bluri.2653" said:

> > had a guy in my q once who got banned mid game for 300+hours for inappropriate language

>

> The real question is did the team he was on lose rating?

If he was offline for ~90s then no

> @"LazySummer.2568" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > @"LazySummer.2568" said:

> > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > > @"Lilyanna.9361" said:

> > > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > > > > @"Lilyanna.9361" said:

> > > > > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > > > > > > @"Lilyanna.9361" said:

> > > > > > > > > > @"Ferahn.2896" said:

> > > > > > > > > > > @"Stand The Wall.6987" said:

> > > > > > > > > > > there is one common bunker build. ONE. chronobunker, boonbeast, prot holo, and weaver are all not very common. one build does not make this a bunker meta. we are in a burst meta, get some glasses.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You're being surprisingly hostile. I never claimed that any of the classes are common or that this is a bunker meta. I do however feel like scrappers and weavers are quite common, I see them nearly every game. I don't believe you are reading the same text that I wrote judging by your reply, you might want to invest in some new glasses.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Weavers????? It's an ele for Christ sake.

> > > > > > > > Yes, weavers are super common. This fire bs that self stack 25 might by smashing their face against keyboard . Instant 10-15 burns if you touch them that being reapplied with ease, yikes.

> > > > > > > > >Literally a Rev and SB can look at them, and they shrivel.

> > > > > > > > Not really. May be if they are waaaaay better than ele..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Uh no. Spellsbreakers literally laugh at ele. This class has the least stunbreaks, the least offensive potential, and the least presence on the latter both high and low tier play. It is literally a l2p issue if you cannot actually win against Condi Weaver. This build is a meme that is probably good up until gold 2-3

> > > > > > Something tells me you are actually in your gold2-3 if you think so. Stunbreaks? 2 charges that evade for 1s and gives them stability. They literally chain stances and never get stunned,if you do, thats l2p issue.

> > > > > > Ele/weaver damage potential is crazy high. Some dude that play full zerk kamikaze build blew away my 24k hp instant before I even realized what happened. Suddenly weaver lost all his evades and focus lost his invul?

> > > > >

> > > > > Ah man that SINGULAR 40 sec invul and two evades. 2op5me.

> > > > Remind me of mesmer with SINGULAR 1s distortion in most of the cases on 50s cd AND one evade on the weapon and thats made everyone go REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

> > > > You have water/earth combo that not only evade both but also blast healing field, 2 ammo'd evade-breakstun utilitity and disgusting stability uptime. Once again remind me of chaos that was nerfed to have only ONE second of stability :)

> > > > > Stop, you and other people overplay Weaver way too much and it's embarrassing. These forums are becoming more and more of a joke as this keeps showing up more and more.

> > > > What should I stop? Actual ele mains that I see in game(one of them was playing last mAT) say that ele is in good spot, some even think sword need a nerf.

> > > > All of them laugh at ppl who complain about ele being bad and need a buff.

> > > > Forum always has been a joke, dont pretend it was better or may be it was but suddenly all sane people quit...

> > >

> > > Lol calling ele cancer and mesmer is not instead of being reasonable about it and think that maybe, just maybe that both classes are in a good spot in that they are good in some areas but also have weaknesses and is clearly not keyboard faceroll easy to play like you're suggesting. You have huge bias if you legit think all the old unnerfed condi mirage, scepter burst ""bunker"" chrono, chaos condi mirage, phantasm spam """bunker""" chrono...etc are not cancer and somehow condi ele is.

> > Uh uh uh, comparing what mesmer has and ele is a huge bias now? Thats your gold ele(may be even silver) pretend weaver has nothing to defend himself, being somehow worst at offense,which is kitten. kitten are you talking about, are you mental ? Why you even talking about old killed mesmer builds ?

> > Current ele IS cancer. Instant 10-15 burns,which is strongest conditin in the game for a second, having bs amount of evades and sustain,easy might stack even from spamming autos into nowhere? Is not cancer? Huge bias my boy, try again.

> > Its mix of scourge and mirage just without clones, come close and get burned to crisp if you dont pack bazilion cleanses.

> > What I even suggest... are you sure you quoted right person? About being at good spot...what a joke

>

> a gold or maybe even silver mesmer pretending it doesn't have evades, invuls, stealth, teleport, and target breaks to defend itself. Current mesmer IS cancer. Any time it does anything you get covered in a million cancer condis instantly because they just spam their instant cast skills while their clones do the other half automatically for them. It also has bs amount of sustain and boon spam by just being chaos.

>

> that's basically how your argument is structured.

Cant argue with stupid ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

As we "talk" about ele you suddenly remember every mesmer build and make nonsense claims that I never spoke about

> You have huge bias if you legit think all the old unnerfed condi mirage, scepter burst ""bunker"" chrono, chaos condi mirage, phantasm spam """bunker""" chrono...etc are not cancer and somehow condi ele is.

The only ones who are biased here - bad eles ;)

> @"mortrialus.3062" said:

> > tl:dr; it was boring af to fight against - and a game should be fun, right? right? :D

>

> Never stopped Scrappers or Weavers.

Now with 100000% more burns. xD

> @"Zawn.9647" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > @"Zawn.9647" said:

> > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said:

> > > > > > @"Zawn.9647" said:

> > > > > > every single 1shot build should be nerfed - power mesmer, sb sic'em, etc...

> > > > > > every single immortal build should be nerfed such as Scrapper

> > > > >

> > > > > I agree. But you do realize the 1 shot pony trick is the only viable build there is for mesmers. Remove that, Mesmers might as well pillow fight.

> > > > If they return old condi mirage to be one of the strongest 1x1'er and not be totally r*ped by thieves... then they can delete power mesmer for all I care ;)

> > >

> > > i'd rather fight 24/7 power mesmers than have the old condi mirage back without a second thought

> > Why not? Its not oneshot. Mesmer alrdy have no viable builds left. So they have to give us something else = sustained dps. Mirage is perfect, except its too bad now. So return old one and we are equal :)

>

> because mirage had ridiculous levels of condi applications while having amazing defenses in form of evades/invul/blink/stealth as well as inflicting confusion + torment so you need to stand still and not cast anything after you cleanse the first batch - and it was frequent enough that was impossible to dodge everything and/or cleanse everything :)

>

> tl:dr; it was boring af to fight against - and a game should be fun, right? right? :D

Too bad mesmer evade dropped to one of the lowest(ofc I dont count facetank lads as necro/guardian). Damage was cut by 50-67% all over the place and confusions lasts few seconds... It would be fine if they wouldnt nerf power mesmer to be even worse than its used to be.

That must be hella lot of fun to be hardstuck in dominance of fb/scourge/engi/rev/rampagemains... probably its fun when you play 1 of these (small addition: burncancerweavers)

> @"Nath Forge Tempete.1645" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > @"Lilyanna.9361" said:

> > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > > @"Lilyanna.9361" said:

> > > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > > > > @"Lilyanna.9361" said:

> > > > > > > > @"Ferahn.2896" said:

> > > > > > > > > @"Stand The Wall.6987" said:

> > > > > > > > > there is one common bunker build. ONE. chronobunker, boonbeast, prot holo, and weaver are all not very common. one build does not make this a bunker meta. we are in a burst meta, get some glasses.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You're being surprisingly hostile. I never claimed that any of the classes are common or that this is a bunker meta. I do however feel like scrappers and weavers are quite common, I see them nearly every game. I don't believe you are reading the same text that I wrote judging by your reply, you might want to invest in some new glasses.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Weavers????? It's an ele for Christ sake.

> > > > > > Yes, weavers are super common. This fire bs that self stack 25 might by smashing their face against keyboard . Instant 10-15 burns if you touch them that being reapplied with ease, yikes.

> > > > > > >Literally a Rev and SB can look at them, and they shrivel.

> > > > > > Not really. May be if they are waaaaay better than ele..

> > > > >

> > > > > Uh no. Spellsbreakers literally laugh at ele. This class has the least stunbreaks, the least offensive potential, and the least presence on the latter both high and low tier play. It is literally a l2p issue if you cannot actually win against Condi Weaver. This build is a meme that is probably good up until gold 2-3

> > > > Something tells me you are actually in your gold2-3 if you think so. Stunbreaks? 2 charges that evade for 1s and gives them stability. They literally chain stances and never get stunned,if you do, thats l2p issue.

> > > > Ele/weaver damage potential is crazy high. Some dude that play full zerk kamikaze build blew away my 24k hp instant before I even realized what happened. Suddenly weaver lost all his evades and focus lost his invul?

> > >

> > > Ah man that SINGULAR 40 sec invul and two evades. 2op5me.

> > Remind me of mesmer with SINGULAR 1s distortion in most of the cases on 50s cd AND one evade on the weapon and thats made everyone go REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

> > You have water/earth combo that not only evade both but also blast healing field, 2 ammo'd evade-breakstun utilitity and disgusting stability uptime. Once again remind me of chaos that was nerfed to have only ONE second of stability :)

> > > Stop, you and other people overplay Weaver way too much and it's embarrassing. These forums are becoming more and more of a joke as this keeps showing up more and more.

> > What should I stop? Actual ele mains that I see in game(one of them was playing last mAT) say that ele is in good spot, some even think sword need a nerf.

> > All of them laugh at ppl who complain about ele being bad and need a buff.

> > Forum always has been a joke, dont pretend it was better or may be it was but suddenly all sane people quit...

>

> there should be filter to not allow these kind of person to post on the forum or at least I should be able to hid these messages ...

>

> It hurts everytime I see one of your comment about elementalist current state.

What kind of person? Why should I see your posts or why you are allowed to post?

> @"LazySummer.2568" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > @"Lilyanna.9361" said:

> > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > > @"Lilyanna.9361" said:

> > > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > > > > @"Lilyanna.9361" said:

> > > > > > > > @"Ferahn.2896" said:

> > > > > > > > > @"Stand The Wall.6987" said:

> > > > > > > > > there is one common bunker build. ONE. chronobunker, boonbeast, prot holo, and weaver are all not very common. one build does not make this a bunker meta. we are in a burst meta, get some glasses.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You're being surprisingly hostile. I never claimed that any of the classes are common or that this is a bunker meta. I do however feel like scrappers and weavers are quite common, I see them nearly every game. I don't believe you are reading the same text that I wrote judging by your reply, you might want to invest in some new glasses.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Weavers????? It's an ele for Christ sake.

> > > > > > Yes, weavers are super common. This fire bs that self stack 25 might by smashing their face against keyboard . Instant 10-15 burns if you touch them that being reapplied with ease, yikes.

> > > > > > >Literally a Rev and SB can look at them, and they shrivel.

> > > > > > Not really. May be if they are waaaaay better than ele..

> > > > >

> > > > > Uh no. Spellsbreakers literally laugh at ele. This class has the least stunbreaks, the least offensive potential, and the least presence on the latter both high and low tier play. It is literally a l2p issue if you cannot actually win against Condi Weaver. This build is a meme that is probably good up until gold 2-3

> > > > Something tells me you are actually in your gold2-3 if you think so. Stunbreaks? 2 charges that evade for 1s and gives them stability. They literally chain stances and never get stunned,if you do, thats l2p issue.

> > > > Ele/weaver damage potential is crazy high. Some dude that play full zerk kamikaze build blew away my 24k hp instant before I even realized what happened. Suddenly weaver lost all his evades and focus lost his invul?

> > >

> > > Ah man that SINGULAR 40 sec invul and two evades. 2op5me.

> > Remind me of mesmer with SINGULAR 1s distortion in most of the cases on 50s cd AND one evade on the weapon and thats made everyone go REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

> > You have water/earth combo that not only evade both but also blast healing field, 2 ammo'd evade-breakstun utilitity and disgusting stability uptime. Once again remind me of chaos that was nerfed to have only ONE second of stability :)

> > > Stop, you and other people overplay Weaver way too much and it's embarrassing. These forums are becoming more and more of a joke as this keeps showing up more and more.

> > What should I stop? Actual ele mains that I see in game(one of them was playing last mAT) say that ele is in good spot, some even think sword need a nerf.

> > All of them laugh at ppl who complain about ele being bad and need a buff.

> > Forum always has been a joke, dont pretend it was better or may be it was but suddenly all sane people quit...

>

> Lol calling ele cancer and mesmer is not instead of being reasonable about it and think that maybe, just maybe that both classes are in a good spot in that they are good in some areas but also have weaknesses and is clearly not keyboard faceroll easy to play like you're suggesting. You have huge bias if you legit think all the old unnerfed condi mirage, scepter burst ""bunker"" chrono, chaos condi mirage, phantasm spam """bunker""" chrono...etc are not cancer and somehow condi ele is.

Uh uh uh, comparing what mesmer has and ele is a huge bias now? Thats your gold ele(may be even silver) pretend weaver has nothing to defend himself, being somehow worst at offense,which is bullshit. Wtf are you talking about, are you mental ? Why you even talking about old killed mesmer builds ?

Current ele IS cancer. Instant 10-15 burns,which is strongest conditin in the game for a second, having bs amount of evades and sustain,easy might stack even from spamming autos into nowhere? Is not cancer? Huge bias my boy, try again.

Its mix of scourge and mirage just without clones, come close and get burned to crisp if you dont pack bazilion cleanses.

What I even suggest... are you sure you quoted right person? About being at good spot...what a joke

> @"Lilyanna.9361" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > @"Lilyanna.9361" said:

> > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > > @"Lilyanna.9361" said:

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> > > > > > > there is one common bunker build. ONE. chronobunker, boonbeast, prot holo, and weaver are all not very common. one build does not make this a bunker meta. we are in a burst meta, get some glasses.

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> > > > > > You're being surprisingly hostile. I never claimed that any of the classes are common or that this is a bunker meta. I do however feel like scrappers and weavers are quite common, I see them nearly every game. I don't believe you are reading the same text that I wrote judging by your reply, you might want to invest in some new glasses.

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> > > > > Weavers????? It's an ele for Christ sake.

> > > > Yes, weavers are super common. This fire bs that self stack 25 might by smashing their face against keyboard . Instant 10-15 burns if you touch them that being reapplied with ease, yikes.

> > > > >Literally a Rev and SB can look at them, and they shrivel.

> > > > Not really. May be if they are waaaaay better than ele..

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> > > Uh no. Spellsbreakers literally laugh at ele. This class has the least stunbreaks, the least offensive potential, and the least presence on the latter both high and low tier play. It is literally a l2p issue if you cannot actually win against Condi Weaver. This build is a meme that is probably good up until gold 2-3

> > Something tells me you are actually in your gold2-3 if you think so. Stunbreaks? 2 charges that evade for 1s and gives them stability. They literally chain stances and never get stunned,if you do, thats l2p issue.

> > Ele/weaver damage potential is crazy high. Some dude that play full zerk kamikaze build blew away my 24k hp instant before I even realized what happened. Suddenly weaver lost all his evades and focus lost his invul?

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> Ah man that SINGULAR 40 sec invul and two evades. 2op5me.

Remind me of mesmer with SINGULAR 1s distortion in most of the cases on 50s cd AND one evade on the weapon and thats made everyone go REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

You have water/earth combo that not only evade both but also blast healing field, 2 ammo'd evade-breakstun utilitity and disgusting stability uptime. Once again remind me of chaos that was nerfed to have only ONE second of stability :)

> Stop, you and other people overplay Weaver way too much and it's embarrassing. These forums are becoming more and more of a joke as this keeps showing up more and more.

What should I stop? Actual ele mains that I see in game(one of them was playing last mAT) say that ele is in good spot, some even think sword need a nerf.

All of them laugh at ppl who complain about ele being bad and need a buff.

Forum always has been a joke, dont pretend it was better or may be it was but suddenly all sane people quit...