praqtos.9035

> @"LazySummer.2568" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > @"Lilyanna.9361" said:

> > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > > @"Lilyanna.9361" said:

> > > > > > @"Ferahn.2896" said:

> > > > > > > @"Stand The Wall.6987" said:

> > > > > > > there is one common bunker build. ONE. chronobunker, boonbeast, prot holo, and weaver are all not very common. one build does not make this a bunker meta. we are in a burst meta, get some glasses.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You're being surprisingly hostile. I never claimed that any of the classes are common or that this is a bunker meta. I do however feel like scrappers and weavers are quite common, I see them nearly every game. I don't believe you are reading the same text that I wrote judging by your reply, you might want to invest in some new glasses.

> > > > >

> > > > > Weavers????? It's an ele for Christ sake.

> > > > Yes, weavers are super common. This fire bs that self stack 25 might by smashing their face against keyboard . Instant 10-15 burns if you touch them that being reapplied with ease, yikes.

> > > > >Literally a Rev and SB can look at them, and they shrivel.

> > > > Not really. May be if they are waaaaay better than ele..

> > >

> > > Uh no. Spellsbreakers literally laugh at ele. This class has the least stunbreaks, the least offensive potential, and the least presence on the latter both high and low tier play. It is literally a l2p issue if you cannot actually win against Condi Weaver. This build is a meme that is probably good up until gold 2-3

> > Something tells me you are actually in your gold2-3 if you think so. Stunbreaks? 2 charges that evade for 1s and gives them stability. They literally chain stances and never get stunned,if you do, thats l2p issue.

> > Ele/weaver damage potential is crazy high. Some dude that play full zerk kamikaze build blew away my 24k hp instant before I even realized what happened. Suddenly weaver lost all his evades and focus lost his invul?

>

> Literally just run around in circles against that build every time it pulses primordial stance & goes into fire attunement, and that build is not even a real bunker, you can force it off node quite easily 2v1 and likely get a kill on it with +'s from high damage classes such as revs & soulbeast or even necros since they have so many soft ccs and that build has terrible escape other than a single invul that it doesn't have instant access to. Only people complaining about that build are people who don't know how that build works and facetank trade with it every time it's in fire attunement and plusing primordial stance.

The only one real bunker is the scrapper. Everything else is just a coseplay .

People get confused about "bunkers" as everyone can facetank a lot, evade for hours, vomit boons and maintain great damage in same time.

Thankfully or not, I'm not seeing many soulbeasts, privilege of EU server. Roaming scourges emmm, must be a free kill without a pocket FB.

Your assumptions doesnt make that build less canc*rous tho

> @"Lilyanna.9361" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > @"Lilyanna.9361" said:

> > > > @"Ferahn.2896" said:

> > > > > @"Stand The Wall.6987" said:

> > > > > there is one common bunker build. ONE. chronobunker, boonbeast, prot holo, and weaver are all not very common. one build does not make this a bunker meta. we are in a burst meta, get some glasses.

> > > >

> > > > You're being surprisingly hostile. I never claimed that any of the classes are common or that this is a bunker meta. I do however feel like scrappers and weavers are quite common, I see them nearly every game. I don't believe you are reading the same text that I wrote judging by your reply, you might want to invest in some new glasses.

> > >

> > > Weavers????? It's an ele for Christ sake.

> > Yes, weavers are super common. This fire bs that self stack 25 might by smashing their face against keyboard . Instant 10-15 burns if you touch them that being reapplied with ease, yikes.

> > >Literally a Rev and SB can look at them, and they shrivel.

> > Not really. May be if they are waaaaay better than ele..

>

> Uh no. Spellsbreakers literally laugh at ele. This class has the least stunbreaks, the least offensive potential, and the least presence on the latter both high and low tier play. It is literally a l2p issue if you cannot actually win against Condi Weaver. This build is a meme that is probably good up until gold 2-3

Something tells me you are actually in your gold2-3 if you think so. Stunbreaks? 2 charges that evade for 1s and gives them stability. They literally chain stances and never get stunned,if you do, thats l2p issue.

Ele/weaver damage potential is crazy high. Some dude that play full zerk kamikaze build blew away my 24k hp instant before I even realized what happened. Suddenly weaver lost all his evades and focus lost his invul?

> @"Lilyanna.9361" said:

> > @"Ferahn.2896" said:

> > > @"Stand The Wall.6987" said:

> > > there is one common bunker build. ONE. chronobunker, boonbeast, prot holo, and weaver are all not very common. one build does not make this a bunker meta. we are in a burst meta, get some glasses.

> >

> > You're being surprisingly hostile. I never claimed that any of the classes are common or that this is a bunker meta. I do however feel like scrappers and weavers are quite common, I see them nearly every game. I don't believe you are reading the same text that I wrote judging by your reply, you might want to invest in some new glasses.

>

> Weavers????? It's an ele for Christ sake.

Yes, weavers are super common. This fire bs that self stack 25 might by smashing their face against keyboard . Instant 10-15 burns if you touch them that being reapplied with ease, yikes.

>Literally a Rev and SB can look at them, and they shrivel.

Not really. May be if they are waaaaay better than ele..

> @"crepuscular.9047" said:

> > @"bOTEB.1573" said:

> > Or add captcha like minigame before the match starts ;)

>

> hell no... i like my 2-4min toilet break after hitting the accept to join a match :bawling:

Dw, they said they dont care, literally. How do I close or delete the thread?

Passive invul on thieves must be deleted. Just like every death save trait that reward the player for his mistakes. Replace it for something else. o/

> @"Heartpains.7312" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

>

> > Dueling traitline "enchance evades" but does nothing for it.

> > Powerblock is literally not worth taking anymore. GS is still stuck in 2k12.

> > Mesmer community is just dead tbh. No one cares about anything anymore. Unjustified nerfs? Its fine. ©

>

> I think mostly mesmers are too tired to care.

>

> We will see next patch, it is important patch for us.

>

Certain twitch monkey probably still crying about mesmer, should we expect more nerfs?:)

> @"viquing.8254" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > @"MrPhantasia.5924" said:

> > > > @"Stand The Wall.6987" said:

> > > > the pull is a bit ridiculous but its only use is in wvw so its not that bad.

> > >

> > > The best mirage build in cinquest, Zeromis GS mirage, uses it. Its the only mirage build thats won an MAT since the portal nerf.

> > Which is a dead weight in EU.

> > This cmirage main that won monthly as scrapper is 0 on any power variation. Which is confirms that condi mirage carry bad players. How he won monthly thats a huge mistery to me. I mean I seen him in ranked, he died like potato to chronos 24/7...

> > Not to mention any mesmer build being shut down by a thief ,easly

> I tend to go in your direction.

> It's interesting because often we I read this forum It seems that NA is full of top skill mesmers who kill everyone with a large panel of builds/weapon set.

> It also seems that there are overall more mesmers players in NA than in EU.

> I'm in EU, I fight everyday against leg to plat 1 players (basically all players in ladder.) so what I see is :

> * 4 mesmers in top 100.

> * Only one mesmer with a focus this season who isn't in the leaderboard.

> * Last season I didn't see other mesmers except me with a focus. (That I put aside this season.)

> So ok, I could forget some players in my analysis, of course there is mesmers which I only see in At but I'm very surprised to read that someone win a mAt with a focus (I do not follow NA tournaments actually, maybe I should.).

In short, they just have a "team" that always faceroll over everyone close to 500-0. Highly doubt that will change if they throw away the mesmer from their comp :joy:

> @"Zawn.9647" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > @"Vieux P.1238" said:

> > > > @"Zawn.9647" said:

> > > > every single 1shot build should be nerfed - power mesmer, sb sic'em, etc...

> > > > every single immortal build should be nerfed such as Scrapper

> > >

> > > I agree. But you do realize the 1 shot pony trick is the only viable build there is for mesmers. Remove that, Mesmers might as well pillow fight.

> > If they return old condi mirage to be one of the strongest 1x1'er and not be totally r*ped by thieves... then they can delete power mesmer for all I care ;)

>

> i'd rather fight 24/7 power mesmers than have the old condi mirage back without a second thought

Why not? Its not oneshot. Mesmer alrdy have no viable builds left. So they have to give us something else = sustained dps. Mirage is perfect, except its too bad now. So return old one and we are equal :)

> @"Vieux P.1238" said:

> > @"Zawn.9647" said:

> > every single 1shot build should be nerfed - power mesmer, sb sic'em, etc...

> > every single immortal build should be nerfed such as Scrapper

>

> I agree. But you do realize the 1 shot pony trick is the only viable build there is for mesmers. Remove that, Mesmers might as well pillow fight.

If they return old condi mirage to be one of the strongest 1x1'er and not be totally r*ped by thieves... then they can delete power mesmer for all I care ;)

> @"DanAlcedo.3281" said:

> > @"Master Ketsu.4569" said:

> > Well if people want to turn this into a balance discussion:

> >

> > Warrior: Healing sig is still a tad too much

> > Guard: Firebrand tomes increased CD sig of mercy 120s CD.

> > Rev: Revert most of the damage buffs this class received in the last years, change sword 4 back to block.

> > Ranger: Tone down SB stability uptime. Change the 4s unblockable trait to 2s

> > Thief: revert last patches nerfs thief was fine before

> > Engineer: Increase barrier sustain CD on scrapper from 3 to 5. Add cast times to some of the gyro tool belt so they cant be used while CCd

> > Necromancer: Most of what necro can do is tied to Firebrand so I would just leave it alone and see how it performs

> > Ele: Hard one to balance since technically ele is fine in WvW where the class can choose its stats. I'd focus on fire weaver.

> > Mesmer: Just give us GW1 mesmer back this class is a hallow shell of what it once was.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

> Of all the things warrior has you choose Heal Sig to be nerfed?

This dud... out of touch with reality /shrug

> @"Heartpains.7312" said:

> Thanks praqtos, I sure didn't go through the troubles of making the list, but just wondering how long til they really start reworking them, by the time they finish the dead list from the above they would kill more probably. =p

Dueling traitline "enchance evades" but does nothing for it.

Powerblock is literally not worth taking anymore. GS is still stuck in 2k12.

Mesmer community is just dead tbh. No one cares about anything anymore. Unjustified nerfs? Its fine. ©

> @"MrPhantasia.5924" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > @"MrPhantasia.5924" said:

> > > > @"Stand The Wall.6987" said:

> > > > the pull is a bit ridiculous but its only use is in wvw so its not that bad.

> > >

> > > The best mirage build in cinquest, Zeromis GS mirage, uses it. Its the only mirage build thats won an MAT since the portal nerf.

> > Which is a dead weight in EU.

"The best mirage build for conquest". At least thats what its feels like here

> > This cmirage main that won monthly as scrapper is 0 on any power variation. Which is confirms that condi mirage carry bad players. How he won monthly thats a huge mistery to me. I mean I seen him in ranked, he died like potato to chronos 24/7...

> > Not to mention any mesmer build being shut down by a thief ,easly

Mesmer main that won mAT being farmed by random ppl with that build :joy: (my thoughts about cmirage/thief is a side note) :P

> @"MrPhantasia.5924" said:

> > @"Stand The Wall.6987" said:

> > the pull is a bit ridiculous but its only use is in wvw so its not that bad.

>

> The best mirage build in cinquest, Zeromis GS mirage, uses it. Its the only mirage build thats won an MAT since the portal nerf.

Which is a dead weight in EU.

This cmirage main that won monthly as scrapper is 0 on any power variation. Which is confirms that condi mirage carry bad players. How he won monthly thats a huge mistery to me. I mean I seen him in ranked, he died like potato to chronos 24/7...

Not to mention any mesmer build being shut down by a thief ,easly

They do, but not wintraders and hackers. My friend sent them a video proof ,they agree they were hacking but they wont do anything because "they are not hacking anymore" XD

> @"ZeftheWicked.3076" said:

> My necropinion on different shatters for different elites:

>

> **HELL NO**.

>

> Mesmers are difficult to deal with in pvp scenarios as is. Now among the sea of clones, phantasms, and blinks you expect me to take time figuring out which spec you are and which shatters to expect? When a necro uses shroud, you can see clear as day which spec he's running without any guesswork.

>

> Mesmers give 0 warnings regarding what shatter they are using already. When i see buncha clones run at me i don't know if they'll burst me to 0 health in 0.5s (hi legendary chronomancer in spvp arena), give me confusion stacks, daze me or make you invulnerable for 4s or so.

>

> If mesmers want more diversity, how about we start with it being clear and readable to their adversaries, before they're respawning at base.

Pretty funny to hear complains for scourge that pretend that his cancershroud has different animations , except there is giant red circle, which if you touch gives you 6 differnet conditions. Especially funny that you want to 1x1 mesmer as class that never been designed for 1x1? Can you complain about power mesmer more as we never see power mesmer in any AT since forever but scourge in every single team,every single AT. EU top1 always scourge. Just ridiculous

>Now among the sea of clones, phantasms, and blinks you expect me to take time figuring out which spec you are and which shatters to expect

Do you blame mesmer because you cant look at the icons ? Are you serious there?

> @"MrPhantasia.5924" said:

> > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:

> > > > @"MrPhantasia.5924" said:

> > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:

> > > > > Believe what you want ... if you think Anet doesn't have a plan they are implementing based on what they want to do, then you don't really know much to begin with.

> > > >

> > > > Chromomancer was designed to be a defensively orientated support spec. Mirage was designed to be a dps condition damage spec. Chronomancer massively out performs Mirage in dps on 75% of the raid bosses and in 95% of other PvE situations. Power GS Chronomancer is also far more deadly and lethal than mirage varients. That probably wasn't planned.

> > > >

> > > > Anet clearly has some overall philosophical goals. Like spellbreakers should be a top 1v1 spec. Necros and guardianss should team fight. But if you don't think wackamole and community feedback has a driving factor in balance you don't know what you're talking about. Just look at how impactful the Jawgeous rant was.

> > >

> > > You guys are in here venting and expressing ur opinions and ideas on the recent mesmer changes etc and being told what ur being told (not rehashing)but go to warrior section and see same person doing the same thing basically that u guys are with the class they play, but it's ok cuz they stated that its different cuz they kno how to give real feedback. Gues u guys dont so it's not ok lmao

> > I cant understand anything from this... Also you cant see much of threads "this change is nonsense blablabla" because mesmer playerbase either dead or just given up(because "knowledgable community" always crying, they manage to cry about focus offhand....somehow....)

>

> Having a hard time parcing it myself as well.

>

> But I can tell you that the Rampage thread in the warrior section is leaded with tons of "Rampage is fine" and "Warrior is ONLY decent because of rampage" vs "Okay something is going to get hit on spellbreaker and we need to make sure it's the right nerfs that don't hurt the build but we won't really actually propose anything just any nerf suggestions people just are never 'the right way to nerf'"

Its alright to twoshot people from full health on 62s cd as rampage lasts 10s and cooldown background. But lets nerf mesmer like every patch until it would be close to unplayble :)

> @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:

> > @"MrPhantasia.5924" said:

> > > @"Obtena.7952" said:

> > > Believe what you want ... if you think Anet doesn't have a plan they are implementing based on what they want to do, then you don't really know much to begin with.

> >

> > Chromomancer was designed to be a defensively orientated support spec. Mirage was designed to be a dps condition damage spec. Chronomancer massively out performs Mirage in dps on 75% of the raid bosses and in 95% of other PvE situations. Power GS Chronomancer is also far more deadly and lethal than mirage varients. That probably wasn't planned.

> >

> > Anet clearly has some overall philosophical goals. Like spellbreakers should be a top 1v1 spec. Necros and guardianss should team fight. But if you don't think wackamole and community feedback has a driving factor in balance you don't know what you're talking about. Just look at how impactful the Jawgeous rant was.

>

> You guys are in here venting and expressing ur opinions and ideas on the recent mesmer changes etc and being told what ur being told (not rehashing)but go to warrior section and see same person doing the same thing basically that u guys are with the class they play, but it's ok cuz they stated that its different cuz they kno how to give real feedback. Gues u guys dont so it's not ok lmao

I cant understand anything from this... Also you cant see much of threads "this change is nonsense blablabla" because mesmer playerbase either dead or just given up(because "knowledgable community" always crying, they manage to cry about focus offhand....somehow....)

> @"Heartpains.7312" said:

> So how long is gonna take them to start on reworking the dead traits, or the traits that they have killed? same goes for skills

>

> We just keep getting bigger and bigger lists of those traits and skills.

Did I miss something? (Only traits. For skills you can do it yourself :P )

>! https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Critical_Infusion

>! "Dueling is a core specialization of the mesmer that focuses on enhancing dodging, interrupts and improving your phantasms' damage." Enhancing dodging they say?

>! https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Egotism

>! https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Blinding_Dissipation

>! https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Evasive_Mirror

>! https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Escape_Artist lul at this

>! https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mental_Defense

>! https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Power_Block

>! https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Illusionary_Reversion

>! https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Riddle_of_Sand

>! https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Elusive_Mind

>! https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Dune_Cloak

>!https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Speed_of_Sand

> @"Ziggityzog.7389" said:

> Banning people mid match? Anet doesn't even ban people who wintrade for seasons besides a few months of dishonor.

Actually thats happen always mid game ... for some reason . Imagine... you being banned for some trash talk but wintraders comfortably playing wvw/pve, just not ranked :joy:

> @"Solori.6025" said:

> .....But did he pay the gold after he was proven wrong?...

> That's what is really important here

Of course not. He written in his post "I dont care, you are all wrong and I'm right".May be you recognize a certain person ... starts with O and ends with A? Kinda the same

> @"Tayga.3192" said:

> Maybe move this to dueling master tier and add a new grandmaster trait to domination hehe

Should I remind you that instead of deleting/reworking chronophantasmsa they prefer to nerf core phantasms/utilities? In other words making something new its not about them

> @"Solori.6025" said:

> > @"Twilight Tempest.7584" said:

> > > @"Obtena.7952" said:

> > > > @"Solori.6025" said:

> > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:

> > > > > > @"Ansau.7326" said:

> > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:

> > > > > > > > @"Ansau.7326" said:

> > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:

> > > > > > > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:

> > > > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:

> > > > > > > > > > >There is lots of evidence to suggest that Anet balanced to their vision of the game.

> > > > > > > > > > Just as they listen players as well but "convince yourself whatever you want".

> > > > > > > > > > >including the 'common sense' evidence.

> > > > > > > > > > Its not when its comes to balance mesmer/thief

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > That's just salt ... regardless, it's clear how Anet balances and it's not based on who QQ's the most. That's just ridiculous. If the class doesn't work for you in PVP, you have choices. Nothing says you have to stick to a class you aren't good with.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > How wrong you are.

> > > > > > > > - Hundreds of posts crying about phantasms = let's nerf 50% damage of 2 phantasms doing 3k damage in 3s, and nerf burning coz 3 stacks every 30s is too much.

> > > > > > > > - Hundreds of posts crying about boonshare = boon traits getting nerfed beyond useless.

> > > > > > > > - Hundreds of posts crying about EM = In Gw1 we got Smiter's Booned, in Gw2 nerfs get EM'ed.

> > > > > > > > - Hundreds of posts crying about Mirage dodge = Mirage Cloak being nerfed and vigor uptime becoming a joke.

> > > > > > > > - Hundreds of posts crying about condis = Let's put 5-6 hard condi nerfs at the same time so forum mods can breathe.

> > > > > > > > - Hundreds of posts crying about Confusing Images = Confusing Images gets 50% damage nerf even if was far from being highest damage skill.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Meanwhile, Revs have broken hammer damage and daredevils have perma evade build for 3.5 years while Soulbeast and Holo have broken damage paired with broken passive sustain for 1.5 years. Working as intended bois.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Everybody else does +7k in single hits, no problem. Mesmer does it in a 7 hit, +2s channel skill, NERF THAT KITTEN YOU CRAZY DEVS BREAKING DIS GAAAME!!!!

> > > > > > > > PD: And it gets nerfed.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Crying posts are simply coincidental. There are LOTS of changes that are NOT related to players complaints. Anet has a vision. They implement it. 1000's of complaints, a handful of them are bound to be inline with that vision. You're own post PROVES it ... if Anet is changing the game based on crying posts, why are things in the game that people still crying about? That makes no sense.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anet has a vision. That must be the biggest joke this year.

> > > > > > How can they have a vision if they don't even know the effect of their balance in advance as they dont do pretest?

> > > > >

> > > > > What makes you think they don't? You don't know that. You don't have a clue what they do. You're just being mega salty.

> > > > >

> > > > If they do. And this is the quality of balance then that just makes the entire company completely incompetent.

> > > >

> > > > Also, is calling people salty and bitter the new " X main spotted" ?

> > >

> > > or it just means they have a different idea of what balanced is. Are people so presumptuous that they assume only what they think is relevant to how Anet should do things? Put those big egos away boys ... what you think does not affect how this game is developed.

> >

> > So they're just trolling us when they expressly invite feedback, or post a patch note preview in advance for community comment?

>

> Basically.

> What I have gotten from this is.

> Anet knows exactly what they are doing. So when they release something that is OP we should roll over and accept it cause Anet did it on purpose.

> If you can 4v1 someone. Obviously their is no point complaining about it. Anet did it on purpose.

> If as class underperfoms and is not viable. It's ok. Anet intended for the class to be useless.

> It's pointless to offer feedback,.

> You weren't meant to have fun anyway.

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I wonder if Obtena REALLY BELIEVE IN THAT

So revenant out of vote? Holo as well... pog

> @"Yoci.2481" said:

> Hello all,

>

> as mesmer I feel like the small scale fight balance in WvW is bad. There are certain professions or builds I have almost no chance. Mostly warriors, engineers and rangers. To me it feels like they have more damage, more sustain and more mobility than I do.

Thats true for pvp as well. Everything you want try to do. Everyone will do better at any role you will try to fill

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Power_Block

Why this has an internal cooldown of 3+ seconds in pvp/wvw? Wasnt this supposed 3s interval only for pve? "This trait can only damage enemies with defiance bars once per interval."

Why it doesnt crit now if has over 3 seconds icd?

Oh yes. Something to think about : Mirage gain as new auto-attack aka first skill ambush skill, which is can be power blocked. Meanwhile thief stolen abilities are not affected by power block at all .

Shouldnt trait powerblock stolen skill as its not auto-attack but regular skill. And ambush NOT power blocked?

From more tests : doesnt do damage/weakness more often than once per 3 seconds but can apply 15s cd on skills. Doesnt work as intended anyway.I

mo should do extra damage if target was immune to power block effect, except it was an auto attack. Looking at thieves