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> @"Azure The Heartless.3261" said:
> > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > As a tank or healer it's like 10 mins tops but I refuse to swap off my sam so I just dont pvp lol
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> I need y'all who say "hard lock the classes to prevent stacking" to understand this is why that suggestion is a bad idea.
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100% this. There are better ways for sure
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> @"Fueki.4753" said:
> At least it usually doesn't take forever to get a match, unlike those 30min+ queues in FF14 and its 24 vs 24 vs 24 pvp.
As a dps main in ff14 I can attest that this is a lie, it's at least 45 mins to 1hr queue time or longer lol
As a tank or healer it's like 10 mins tops but I refuse to swap off my sam so I just dont pvp lol
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Lol welcome to gw2
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> @"Shao.7236" said:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can actually play what you want given you care enough to play it right. There's a lot of clear counters to many builds and I have yet to see one that can do it all.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think many warriors would disagree with this sentiment...
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because all warriors were actually spellbreakers playing the same tether might spam endurance regen build when PoF came out. They all got the same cheesy slice and it's gone, have to get gud now.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah yes, because the reason we dont see *any* warriors in top tier or any tournaments anymore is just because they have to "get gud" and not the fact that warrior is currently unplayable. And its only coencidence that Anet buffed them up (even if it was far from enough).
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've seen and played warrior builds that are pretty viable, obviously they aren't going to dance around a node for the entire duration of the game because that's what the issue was in the first place. Again, having such high expectations.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You havent. There arent viable warrior builds right now. Thats a simple statement of fact. Warrior is on the same level (if not possibly below) mirage right now, who is equally unplayable. Thats why there were 0 warriors in MOTA, 0 in high ranks, and probably 0 in MATs (I admit I stopped counting after a while). If by "high expectations" you mean "thinking that a class shouldnt be so bad every good player drops it like a hot potato", then you have a weird definition of "high expectations". Also, you are aware that dancing around a node for the entire duration of the game is the default right now, right? Sidenoders dont die in a 1v1, ever. They get +1d, and until then they just try to knock the other off the point using knockbacks. Thats actually warriors biggest issue, a lack of a good knockback.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most warriors (Even myself) that I see play deal damage and actually don't waste all their CC at once because that was something back then, spamming everything you got because damage. Setup bursts rather, Stomp exists as a knock back that grants Stability too, be it anything with more than 1 target, that's more stacks.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, you dont. Damage in general right now is too low to ever kill someone on your own, and Warrior is lower than even the average. Also, if anything, you spam more *now*, because you cant afford to delay even a single point of damage, because well, there is too little of it anyway. Right now warrior is a sidenoder who simply lacks the knockback and damage to be effective, and provides *nothing*.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also to imply that "good" players use anything that has a skill ceiling is false, they don't. People would actually have an identity with their so called "favorite" class if they did.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah yes, thats why we see so many Power revs played in top tier. After all, it famously has no skill ceiling, and totally isnt a really difficult class that even Anet confirmed is difficult. You dont actually believe your rubbish yourself, do you? No, they didnt use Warrior not because its got a "skill ceiling", but simply because warrior is currently not viable at all.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All Revs that play top tier don't even duel, your point?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whats that got to do with anything? Your claim was that "good players wouldnt use anything with a skill ceiling". My easy counterpoint to that is power rev, something that has a high skill ceiling, and that good players play. A *lot*. So, your logic fails.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gonna add to the fact they are all herald, power or condi and never reach to challenge players because they clearly can't play it to that much potential, there has been less players than I can count on my fingers that actually play Herald Power without being just a pseudo theif wanna be delete everything picking the fights.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Elitism from below. Now thats new. But equally ridiculous.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's clear that even if they wanted, the meta builds are terrible at it anyway, but this is conquest. Obviously we wouldn't care, but that still doesn't change the truth of it.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The truth that spellbreaker is not viable? Yeah sure, that doenst change.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > The current meta power herald has a "medium" skill ceiling, it barely interacts with what it makes revenant the class it is and the high skill ceiling aspect is never used in practice, core on the other hand has way more going for it. Condi Herald has a low skill ceiling to medium in my opinion given that nobody ever manages conditions at all on their teams, they call it a duelist/side nodder instead which is a /joke/, because it's the most telegraphed and easier to control given that it can actually turn mid fights around with proper managing instead of wasting it's time never dying against people don't know how to deal with them.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > If your "logic" were to hold, it would hold on all iterations. We had a high skill ceiling Rev be extremely popular, to the point where Anet even talked about it. Ask Leonidrex about it, he got the memes for it. But long story short, high skill ceiling, still extremely popular. Good players play anything if its good. Even high skill ceiling classes.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Spellbreaker is no longer the evade spam class that it was, it's not hard to see why it fell out of the meta.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > ... of all the things to mention. You mention the one that ... wasnt hit? Warrios evades werent touched. It has nothing to do why its not meta. Instead, its not meta because sidenoding has been reduced to knockbacks and waiting for +1s, and Warrior doesnt have a good knockback and its not great at setting up +1s either. Its woefully lacking in damage.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Yeah sure warrior not being meta totally has to do with the fact it can't evade spam anymore. Meanwhile Hammer is pretty good actually.
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> > > > > > > > > > Why dont u just be honest and say "hi, I'm a rev main, yes one of thee most broken classes in pvp right now. I'm here to tell all u warrior mains that even though warrior is considered one of if not thee weakest classes in the game even by most vet players that warrior is in fact strong and you all just need to learn to play it. I am certainly not saying this due to the fact that I'm just enjoying the fact that my broken main can now easily stomp a warrior in its weak state and would rather them not be buffed to a point where they may pose a threat again". " I would also state that I care so much for all the players who enjoy warrior and would rather see the class remain unviable and cause warrior mains leave this game we all love then for me to face challenging classes when I pvp cuz I'm a standard gw2 pvp player complete with the mentality"
> > > > > > > > > > "U can see from my post history I obviously have no bias against warrior or splbrs lol"
> > > > > > > > > > There said all the things u meant to say.
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> > > > > > > > > > So weird people are leaving this community so fast.
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> > > > > > > > > Yes Revenant is absolutely broken even though it can be eaten by Warriors. Meanwhile I am the only rev main that actually agree's with all the shiro nerfs and don't want to see more buffs, but actual nerfs and redesigns. Thanks!
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> > > > > > > > Yes warriors in high lv play are destroying revs left and right lmao, again ur bias and statements are to ridiculous to take serious. Sry haha.
> > > > > > > > Seriously u do realize gw2 pvp is perfect example of a game that players bandwagon to the most effective builds even if it means leaving their long time main, not all but most and the fact warrior has fallen so far down in most players playtime or in showings in high lv play and comps is a testament to its visibility especially in this game lol.
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> > > > > > > Been doing it myself as a Warrior and Spellbreaker, have yet to try Berserker but I've seen those do it too. Whatever. Revenants are so overhyped to be strong when they are the most telegraphed profession of the game.
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> > > > > > Lmao revs are not more telegraphed than war kitten hahahaha. Sure I'm destroying all classes with rev using 2 fingers.. see how easy typing that is, show some vids of u destroying classes on war in high lv play, posts are cheap.
> > > > > > God I'm so glad I ditched this game and its community, I just like coming on here to see all the utter nonsense u guys spout, I'm glad pvps dying so fast with ur mentalities it deserves to die lol, funny thing is the "players balance" is helping tank the mode not that devs need any help lol, too funny.
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> > > > > Dude, the current "meta" Revenant is easy to stunlock if you actually care to work for it. Like, whenever they get CC'd it stunbreak and then resort to defensive weapon skills such as Sword 3 or Staff altogether because low energy, there's nothing getting in your way given you didn't waste anything while they were on the defensive. Seriously, way too overhyped. Gaze of Darkness cooldown is actually out of standard with what normally core can even do, it's surprising that there's even that much to complain about.
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> > > > Sure of course stun locking rev is easy especially on warrior but the warrior has zero dps to follow up the stun with, only a gbage rev cant avoid the predictable and telegraphed one or two burst options a basic class like warrior has and even if u connect revs sustain can laugh at the dps war puts out in its burst rotations and follow it with it's own way high burst with far more avenues to do such bursts lol not even close to comparable. If ur a glassy thief tho a warriors burst can be dangerous lol. A warrior, thee melee class should not have to rely on other better melee classes to provide the melee dps etc. The balance of warrior melee prowess is way off compared to other classes melee potential, at least these days it is.
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> > > What's with you guys saying Warrior have no damage? I'm having fun going around hitting 5k's left and right following any CC, not like the cooldowns are high either compared anything else in the game.
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> > Yeah lol 5k f1 that's easy to avoid whahoo so dangerous and not easily achieved and higher through more methods using melee on other classes..... balanced.
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> It wasn't F1 that hit for 5k but ok.
Hows Boyce's war play doing? Hes legit no? Any recent sindrener stream ive seen all war mains including boyce seem to have swapped to classes like ranger or holo, all tho I think he also played ranger frequently even when he played war mostly.hardly ever see wars played in comp etc.
As I said gw2 is a game where the most viable builds see a playtime uptick ten fold and a huge drop occurs in classes/builds that are less viable. In gw2 if u see certain classes most often in play it's due to its effectiveness not popularity, gw2 is a game populated by players who bandwagon to the strongest classes and builds. The fact that a easier to play/pick up class like warrior has seen such a fall in play is very telling of a issue regardless of the view u or I have on the class.
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> @"Shao.7236" said:
> > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can actually play what you want given you care enough to play it right. There's a lot of clear counters to many builds and I have yet to see one that can do it all.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think many warriors would disagree with this sentiment...
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because all warriors were actually spellbreakers playing the same tether might spam endurance regen build when PoF came out. They all got the same cheesy slice and it's gone, have to get gud now.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah yes, because the reason we dont see *any* warriors in top tier or any tournaments anymore is just because they have to "get gud" and not the fact that warrior is currently unplayable. And its only coencidence that Anet buffed them up (even if it was far from enough).
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've seen and played warrior builds that are pretty viable, obviously they aren't going to dance around a node for the entire duration of the game because that's what the issue was in the first place. Again, having such high expectations.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You havent. There arent viable warrior builds right now. Thats a simple statement of fact. Warrior is on the same level (if not possibly below) mirage right now, who is equally unplayable. Thats why there were 0 warriors in MOTA, 0 in high ranks, and probably 0 in MATs (I admit I stopped counting after a while). If by "high expectations" you mean "thinking that a class shouldnt be so bad every good player drops it like a hot potato", then you have a weird definition of "high expectations". Also, you are aware that dancing around a node for the entire duration of the game is the default right now, right? Sidenoders dont die in a 1v1, ever. They get +1d, and until then they just try to knock the other off the point using knockbacks. Thats actually warriors biggest issue, a lack of a good knockback.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most warriors (Even myself) that I see play deal damage and actually don't waste all their CC at once because that was something back then, spamming everything you got because damage. Setup bursts rather, Stomp exists as a knock back that grants Stability too, be it anything with more than 1 target, that's more stacks.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, you dont. Damage in general right now is too low to ever kill someone on your own, and Warrior is lower than even the average. Also, if anything, you spam more *now*, because you cant afford to delay even a single point of damage, because well, there is too little of it anyway. Right now warrior is a sidenoder who simply lacks the knockback and damage to be effective, and provides *nothing*.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also to imply that "good" players use anything that has a skill ceiling is false, they don't. People would actually have an identity with their so called "favorite" class if they did.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah yes, thats why we see so many Power revs played in top tier. After all, it famously has no skill ceiling, and totally isnt a really difficult class that even Anet confirmed is difficult. You dont actually believe your rubbish yourself, do you? No, they didnt use Warrior not because its got a "skill ceiling", but simply because warrior is currently not viable at all.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > All Revs that play top tier don't even duel, your point?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Whats that got to do with anything? Your claim was that "good players wouldnt use anything with a skill ceiling". My easy counterpoint to that is power rev, something that has a high skill ceiling, and that good players play. A *lot*. So, your logic fails.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Gonna add to the fact they are all herald, power or condi and never reach to challenge players because they clearly can't play it to that much potential, there has been less players than I can count on my fingers that actually play Herald Power without being just a pseudo theif wanna be delete everything picking the fights.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Elitism from below. Now thats new. But equally ridiculous.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > It's clear that even if they wanted, the meta builds are terrible at it anyway, but this is conquest. Obviously we wouldn't care, but that still doesn't change the truth of it.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The truth that spellbreaker is not viable? Yeah sure, that doenst change.
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> > > > > > > > > > > The current meta power herald has a "medium" skill ceiling, it barely interacts with what it makes revenant the class it is and the high skill ceiling aspect is never used in practice, core on the other hand has way more going for it. Condi Herald has a low skill ceiling to medium in my opinion given that nobody ever manages conditions at all on their teams, they call it a duelist/side nodder instead which is a /joke/, because it's the most telegraphed and easier to control given that it can actually turn mid fights around with proper managing instead of wasting it's time never dying against people don't know how to deal with them.
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> > > > > > > > > > If your "logic" were to hold, it would hold on all iterations. We had a high skill ceiling Rev be extremely popular, to the point where Anet even talked about it. Ask Leonidrex about it, he got the memes for it. But long story short, high skill ceiling, still extremely popular. Good players play anything if its good. Even high skill ceiling classes.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Spellbreaker is no longer the evade spam class that it was, it's not hard to see why it fell out of the meta.
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> > > > > > > > > > ... of all the things to mention. You mention the one that ... wasnt hit? Warrios evades werent touched. It has nothing to do why its not meta. Instead, its not meta because sidenoding has been reduced to knockbacks and waiting for +1s, and Warrior doesnt have a good knockback and its not great at setting up +1s either. Its woefully lacking in damage.
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> > > > > > > > > Yeah sure warrior not being meta totally has to do with the fact it can't evade spam anymore. Meanwhile Hammer is pretty good actually.
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> > > > > > > > Why dont u just be honest and say "hi, I'm a rev main, yes one of thee most broken classes in pvp right now. I'm here to tell all u warrior mains that even though warrior is considered one of if not thee weakest classes in the game even by most vet players that warrior is in fact strong and you all just need to learn to play it. I am certainly not saying this due to the fact that I'm just enjoying the fact that my broken main can now easily stomp a warrior in its weak state and would rather them not be buffed to a point where they may pose a threat again". " I would also state that I care so much for all the players who enjoy warrior and would rather see the class remain unviable and cause warrior mains leave this game we all love then for me to face challenging classes when I pvp cuz I'm a standard gw2 pvp player complete with the mentality"
> > > > > > > > "U can see from my post history I obviously have no bias against warrior or splbrs lol"
> > > > > > > > There said all the things u meant to say.
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> > > > > > > > So weird people are leaving this community so fast.
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> > > > > > > Yes Revenant is absolutely broken even though it can be eaten by Warriors. Meanwhile I am the only rev main that actually agree's with all the shiro nerfs and don't want to see more buffs, but actual nerfs and redesigns. Thanks!
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> > > > > > Yes warriors in high lv play are destroying revs left and right lmao, again ur bias and statements are to ridiculous to take serious. Sry haha.
> > > > > > Seriously u do realize gw2 pvp is perfect example of a game that players bandwagon to the most effective builds even if it means leaving their long time main, not all but most and the fact warrior has fallen so far down in most players playtime or in showings in high lv play and comps is a testament to its visibility especially in this game lol.
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> > > > > Been doing it myself as a Warrior and Spellbreaker, have yet to try Berserker but I've seen those do it too. Whatever. Revenants are so overhyped to be strong when they are the most telegraphed profession of the game.
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> > > > Lmao revs are not more telegraphed than war kitten hahahaha. Sure I'm destroying all classes with rev using 2 fingers.. see how easy typing that is, show some vids of u destroying classes on war in high lv play, posts are cheap.
> > > > God I'm so glad I ditched this game and its community, I just like coming on here to see all the utter nonsense u guys spout, I'm glad pvps dying so fast with ur mentalities it deserves to die lol, funny thing is the "players balance" is helping tank the mode not that devs need any help lol, too funny.
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> > > Dude, the current "meta" Revenant is easy to stunlock if you actually care to work for it. Like, whenever they get CC'd it stunbreak and then resort to defensive weapon skills such as Sword 3 or Staff altogether because low energy, there's nothing getting in your way given you didn't waste anything while they were on the defensive. Seriously, way too overhyped. Gaze of Darkness cooldown is actually out of standard with what normally core can even do, it's surprising that there's even that much to complain about.
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> > Sure of course stun locking rev is easy especially on warrior but the warrior has zero dps to follow up the stun with, only a gbage rev cant avoid the predictable and telegraphed one or two burst options a basic class like warrior has and even if u connect revs sustain can laugh at the dps war puts out in its burst rotations and follow it with it's own way high burst with far more avenues to do such bursts lol not even close to comparable. If ur a glassy thief tho a warriors burst can be dangerous lol. A warrior, thee melee class should not have to rely on other better melee classes to provide the melee dps etc. The balance of warrior melee prowess is way off compared to other classes melee potential, at least these days it is.
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> What's with you guys saying Warrior have no damage? I'm having fun going around hitting 5k's left and right following any CC, not like the cooldowns are high either compared anything else in the game.
Yeah lol 5k f1 that's easy to avoid whahoo so dangerous and not easily achieved and higher through more methods using melee on other classes..... balanced.
Bottom line is other classes can out dps war in melee and with far more viriety of skills doing so making them far less predictable, giving them access to more types of bursts and more often all matching or bypassing the wars dps which I'd supposed to be the basic strait forward heavy hitter melee spec, they got the basic and strait forward right but as I said u guys have a mentality where u want to be carried and not challenged so the heavy hitting part missing is something u want to fight to leave as is on war and any other class ur not playing often lol, again why players love the pvp community and leave and again why the games pvp is deservedly dying as it is and its population as well dying as it is
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> @"Shao.7236" said:
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> > > > > > > > > @"Shao.7236" said:
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> > > > > > > > > > > @"Shao.7236" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Shao.7236" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Shao.7236" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Shao.7236" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Dahkeus.8243" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Shao.7236" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can actually play what you want given you care enough to play it right. There's a lot of clear counters to many builds and I have yet to see one that can do it all.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think many warriors would disagree with this sentiment...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because all warriors were actually spellbreakers playing the same tether might spam endurance regen build when PoF came out. They all got the same cheesy slice and it's gone, have to get gud now.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah yes, because the reason we dont see *any* warriors in top tier or any tournaments anymore is just because they have to "get gud" and not the fact that warrior is currently unplayable. And its only coencidence that Anet buffed them up (even if it was far from enough).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've seen and played warrior builds that are pretty viable, obviously they aren't going to dance around a node for the entire duration of the game because that's what the issue was in the first place. Again, having such high expectations.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You havent. There arent viable warrior builds right now. Thats a simple statement of fact. Warrior is on the same level (if not possibly below) mirage right now, who is equally unplayable. Thats why there were 0 warriors in MOTA, 0 in high ranks, and probably 0 in MATs (I admit I stopped counting after a while). If by "high expectations" you mean "thinking that a class shouldnt be so bad every good player drops it like a hot potato", then you have a weird definition of "high expectations". Also, you are aware that dancing around a node for the entire duration of the game is the default right now, right? Sidenoders dont die in a 1v1, ever. They get +1d, and until then they just try to knock the other off the point using knockbacks. Thats actually warriors biggest issue, a lack of a good knockback.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Most warriors (Even myself) that I see play deal damage and actually don't waste all their CC at once because that was something back then, spamming everything you got because damage. Setup bursts rather, Stomp exists as a knock back that grants Stability too, be it anything with more than 1 target, that's more stacks.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Again, you dont. Damage in general right now is too low to ever kill someone on your own, and Warrior is lower than even the average. Also, if anything, you spam more *now*, because you cant afford to delay even a single point of damage, because well, there is too little of it anyway. Right now warrior is a sidenoder who simply lacks the knockback and damage to be effective, and provides *nothing*.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Also to imply that "good" players use anything that has a skill ceiling is false, they don't. People would actually have an identity with their so called "favorite" class if they did.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Ah yes, thats why we see so many Power revs played in top tier. After all, it famously has no skill ceiling, and totally isnt a really difficult class that even Anet confirmed is difficult. You dont actually believe your rubbish yourself, do you? No, they didnt use Warrior not because its got a "skill ceiling", but simply because warrior is currently not viable at all.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > All Revs that play top tier don't even duel, your point?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Whats that got to do with anything? Your claim was that "good players wouldnt use anything with a skill ceiling". My easy counterpoint to that is power rev, something that has a high skill ceiling, and that good players play. A *lot*. So, your logic fails.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Gonna add to the fact they are all herald, power or condi and never reach to challenge players because they clearly can't play it to that much potential, there has been less players than I can count on my fingers that actually play Herald Power without being just a pseudo theif wanna be delete everything picking the fights.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Elitism from below. Now thats new. But equally ridiculous.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > It's clear that even if they wanted, the meta builds are terrible at it anyway, but this is conquest. Obviously we wouldn't care, but that still doesn't change the truth of it.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The truth that spellbreaker is not viable? Yeah sure, that doenst change.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The current meta power herald has a "medium" skill ceiling, it barely interacts with what it makes revenant the class it is and the high skill ceiling aspect is never used in practice, core on the other hand has way more going for it. Condi Herald has a low skill ceiling to medium in my opinion given that nobody ever manages conditions at all on their teams, they call it a duelist/side nodder instead which is a /joke/, because it's the most telegraphed and easier to control given that it can actually turn mid fights around with proper managing instead of wasting it's time never dying against people don't know how to deal with them.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If your "logic" were to hold, it would hold on all iterations. We had a high skill ceiling Rev be extremely popular, to the point where Anet even talked about it. Ask Leonidrex about it, he got the memes for it. But long story short, high skill ceiling, still extremely popular. Good players play anything if its good. Even high skill ceiling classes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Spellbreaker is no longer the evade spam class that it was, it's not hard to see why it fell out of the meta.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ... of all the things to mention. You mention the one that ... wasnt hit? Warrios evades werent touched. It has nothing to do why its not meta. Instead, its not meta because sidenoding has been reduced to knockbacks and waiting for +1s, and Warrior doesnt have a good knockback and its not great at setting up +1s either. Its woefully lacking in damage.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yeah sure warrior not being meta totally has to do with the fact it can't evade spam anymore. Meanwhile Hammer is pretty good actually.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why dont u just be honest and say "hi, I'm a rev main, yes one of thee most broken classes in pvp right now. I'm here to tell all u warrior mains that even though warrior is considered one of if not thee weakest classes in the game even by most vet players that warrior is in fact strong and you all just need to learn to play it. I am certainly not saying this due to the fact that I'm just enjoying the fact that my broken main can now easily stomp a warrior in its weak state and would rather them not be buffed to a point where they may pose a threat again". " I would also state that I care so much for all the players who enjoy warrior and would rather see the class remain unviable and cause warrior mains leave this game we all love then for me to face challenging classes when I pvp cuz I'm a standard gw2 pvp player complete with the mentality"
> > > > > > "U can see from my post history I obviously have no bias against warrior or splbrs lol"
> > > > > > There said all the things u meant to say.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So weird people are leaving this community so fast.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes Revenant is absolutely broken even though it can be eaten by Warriors. Meanwhile I am the only rev main that actually agree's with all the shiro nerfs and don't want to see more buffs, but actual nerfs and redesigns. Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > Yes warriors in high lv play are destroying revs left and right lmao, again ur bias and statements are to ridiculous to take serious. Sry haha.
> > > > Seriously u do realize gw2 pvp is perfect example of a game that players bandwagon to the most effective builds even if it means leaving their long time main, not all but most and the fact warrior has fallen so far down in most players playtime or in showings in high lv play and comps is a testament to its visibility especially in this game lol.
> > >
> > > Been doing it myself as a Warrior and Spellbreaker, have yet to try Berserker but I've seen those do it too. Whatever. Revenants are so overhyped to be strong when they are the most telegraphed profession of the game.
> >
> > Lmao revs are not more telegraphed than war kitten hahahaha. Sure I'm destroying all classes with rev using 2 fingers.. see how easy typing that is, show some vids of u destroying classes on war in high lv play, posts are cheap.
> > God I'm so glad I ditched this game and its community, I just like coming on here to see all the utter nonsense u guys spout, I'm glad pvps dying so fast with ur mentalities it deserves to die lol, funny thing is the "players balance" is helping tank the mode not that devs need any help lol, too funny.
>
> Dude, the current "meta" Revenant is easy to stunlock if you actually care to work for it. Like, whenever they get CC'd it stunbreak and then resort to defensive weapon skills such as Sword 3 or Staff altogether because low energy, there's nothing getting in your way given you didn't waste anything while they were on the defensive. Seriously, way too overhyped. Gaze of Darkness cooldown is actually out of standard with what normally core can even do, it's surprising that there's even that much to complain about.
Sure of course stun locking rev is easy especially on warrior but the warrior has zero dps to follow up the stun with, only a gbage rev cant avoid the predictable and telegraphed one or two burst options a basic class like warrior has and even if u connect revs sustain can laugh at the dps war puts out in its burst rotations and follow it with it's own way high burst with far more avenues to do such bursts lol not even close to comparable. If ur a glassy thief tho a warriors burst can be dangerous lol. A warrior, thee melee class should not have to rely on other better melee classes to provide the melee dps etc. The balance of warrior melee prowess is way off compared to other classes melee potential, at least these days it is.
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Lack of players and reasons
- very little development in pvp modes
- infrequent balancing
- poor balancing
- issues and broken thing left for far to long
- community mentality dictates they dont actually want balance further then their class being strong and other weak for all the obvious reasons
- players are leaving fast and are being replaced with more bots placed by players who would rather not play the mode
- competitiveness is seen as a meme in the game these days inevitably leading to increased incidences of hacking/hackers as why not.
- lack of any real consequences for botters and hackers
- matchmaking is trash
- ur rank is dependent on how good ur team is
- list could go on and on but bottom line is this games pvp has turned into further trash ever year that passes and is beyond saving, so why would players stay?
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> @"Kodama.6453" said:
> > @"Dadnir.5038" said:
> > Ah... Barrier...
> >
> > In itself, the extra health bubble is fine, for me the real issue with the mechanic is that it stack. The fact that barrier stack make taking multiple source of barrier stronger almost imbalance. In game it translate with people stacking the professions that grant barrier. It's less an issue in sPvP but in WvW, half of the "scourge issue" came from barrier stacking.
> >
> > So I wouldn't say that the mechanism is healthy for the game atm. It might be if it didn't stack thought (I say might, because barrier numbers would have to be rebalanced properly).
>
> Having barrier not stack would make it feel pretty bad as a mechanic, tho.
> People already dislike that some unique effects like superspeed are not stacking but just overwriting each other. Barrier would be an even worse case in my opinion.
>
> Not to mention that rebalancing barrier around not being able to stack would create some problems. For example, scrapper would need yet another complete rework since the trait that converts 15% of damage would become absolute garbage.
> Which then raises the question: how to properly implement barrier into scrapper? I like it thematically that scrappers are constantly shielding themselves.
Read ur last statement..... u like that scrappers are constantly shielding themselves lol in pve sure but in a pvp mode no class should be able to constantly shield or shroud themselves including block access of the likes of guards, the pvp in this game has evolved into a game of whose class has stronger carry mechanics and not who's more skilled, part of the reason pvp pops declining, for most even winning isnt fun if ur being carried by ur class mechanics just like stomping a team in pvp is as much fun as being stomped.
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> @"Shao.7236" said:
> > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > @"Shao.7236" said:
> > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > @"Shao.7236" said:
> > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > > > > > > @"Shao.7236" said:
> > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"Shao.7236" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"Shao.7236" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Shao.7236" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Shao.7236" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Dahkeus.8243" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Shao.7236" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can actually play what you want given you care enough to play it right. There's a lot of clear counters to many builds and I have yet to see one that can do it all.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think many warriors would disagree with this sentiment...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because all warriors were actually spellbreakers playing the same tether might spam endurance regen build when PoF came out. They all got the same cheesy slice and it's gone, have to get gud now.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah yes, because the reason we dont see *any* warriors in top tier or any tournaments anymore is just because they have to "get gud" and not the fact that warrior is currently unplayable. And its only coencidence that Anet buffed them up (even if it was far from enough).
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I've seen and played warrior builds that are pretty viable, obviously they aren't going to dance around a node for the entire duration of the game because that's what the issue was in the first place. Again, having such high expectations.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > You havent. There arent viable warrior builds right now. Thats a simple statement of fact. Warrior is on the same level (if not possibly below) mirage right now, who is equally unplayable. Thats why there were 0 warriors in MOTA, 0 in high ranks, and probably 0 in MATs (I admit I stopped counting after a while). If by "high expectations" you mean "thinking that a class shouldnt be so bad every good player drops it like a hot potato", then you have a weird definition of "high expectations". Also, you are aware that dancing around a node for the entire duration of the game is the default right now, right? Sidenoders dont die in a 1v1, ever. They get +1d, and until then they just try to knock the other off the point using knockbacks. Thats actually warriors biggest issue, a lack of a good knockback.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Most warriors (Even myself) that I see play deal damage and actually don't waste all their CC at once because that was something back then, spamming everything you got because damage. Setup bursts rather, Stomp exists as a knock back that grants Stability too, be it anything with more than 1 target, that's more stacks.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Again, you dont. Damage in general right now is too low to ever kill someone on your own, and Warrior is lower than even the average. Also, if anything, you spam more *now*, because you cant afford to delay even a single point of damage, because well, there is too little of it anyway. Right now warrior is a sidenoder who simply lacks the knockback and damage to be effective, and provides *nothing*.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Also to imply that "good" players use anything that has a skill ceiling is false, they don't. People would actually have an identity with their so called "favorite" class if they did.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ah yes, thats why we see so many Power revs played in top tier. After all, it famously has no skill ceiling, and totally isnt a really difficult class that even Anet confirmed is difficult. You dont actually believe your rubbish yourself, do you? No, they didnt use Warrior not because its got a "skill ceiling", but simply because warrior is currently not viable at all.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > All Revs that play top tier don't even duel, your point?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Whats that got to do with anything? Your claim was that "good players wouldnt use anything with a skill ceiling". My easy counterpoint to that is power rev, something that has a high skill ceiling, and that good players play. A *lot*. So, your logic fails.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Gonna add to the fact they are all herald, power or condi and never reach to challenge players because they clearly can't play it to that much potential, there has been less players than I can count on my fingers that actually play Herald Power without being just a pseudo theif wanna be delete everything picking the fights.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Elitism from below. Now thats new. But equally ridiculous.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It's clear that even if they wanted, the meta builds are terrible at it anyway, but this is conquest. Obviously we wouldn't care, but that still doesn't change the truth of it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The truth that spellbreaker is not viable? Yeah sure, that doenst change.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The current meta power herald has a "medium" skill ceiling, it barely interacts with what it makes revenant the class it is and the high skill ceiling aspect is never used in practice, core on the other hand has way more going for it. Condi Herald has a low skill ceiling to medium in my opinion given that nobody ever manages conditions at all on their teams, they call it a duelist/side nodder instead which is a /joke/, because it's the most telegraphed and easier to control given that it can actually turn mid fights around with proper managing instead of wasting it's time never dying against people don't know how to deal with them.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If your "logic" were to hold, it would hold on all iterations. We had a high skill ceiling Rev be extremely popular, to the point where Anet even talked about it. Ask Leonidrex about it, he got the memes for it. But long story short, high skill ceiling, still extremely popular. Good players play anything if its good. Even high skill ceiling classes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Spellbreaker is no longer the evade spam class that it was, it's not hard to see why it fell out of the meta.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ... of all the things to mention. You mention the one that ... wasnt hit? Warrios evades werent touched. It has nothing to do why its not meta. Instead, its not meta because sidenoding has been reduced to knockbacks and waiting for +1s, and Warrior doesnt have a good knockback and its not great at setting up +1s either. Its woefully lacking in damage.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah sure warrior not being meta totally has to do with the fact it can't evade spam anymore. Meanwhile Hammer is pretty good actually.
> > > >
> > > > Why dont u just be honest and say "hi, I'm a rev main, yes one of thee most broken classes in pvp right now. I'm here to tell all u warrior mains that even though warrior is considered one of if not thee weakest classes in the game even by most vet players that warrior is in fact strong and you all just need to learn to play it. I am certainly not saying this due to the fact that I'm just enjoying the fact that my broken main can now easily stomp a warrior in its weak state and would rather them not be buffed to a point where they may pose a threat again". " I would also state that I care so much for all the players who enjoy warrior and would rather see the class remain unviable and cause warrior mains leave this game we all love then for me to face challenging classes when I pvp cuz I'm a standard gw2 pvp player complete with the mentality"
> > > > "U can see from my post history I obviously have no bias against warrior or splbrs lol"
> > > > There said all the things u meant to say.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So weird people are leaving this community so fast.
> > >
> > > Yes Revenant is absolutely broken even though it can be eaten by Warriors. Meanwhile I am the only rev main that actually agree's with all the shiro nerfs and don't want to see more buffs, but actual nerfs and redesigns. Thanks!
> >
> > Yes warriors in high lv play are destroying revs left and right lmao, again ur bias and statements are to ridiculous to take serious. Sry haha.
> > Seriously u do realize gw2 pvp is perfect example of a game that players bandwagon to the most effective builds even if it means leaving their long time main, not all but most and the fact warrior has fallen so far down in most players playtime or in showings in high lv play and comps is a testament to its visibility especially in this game lol.
>
> Been doing it myself as a Warrior and Spellbreaker, have yet to try Berserker but I've seen those do it too. Whatever. Revenants are so overhyped to be strong when they are the most telegraphed profession of the game.
Lmao revs are not more telegraphed than war wtf hahahaha. Sure I'm destroying all classes with rev using 2 fingers.. see how easy typing that is, show some vids of u destroying classes on war in high lv play, posts are cheap.
God I'm so glad I ditched this game and its community, I just like coming on here to see all the utter nonsense u guys spout, I'm glad pvps dying so fast with ur mentalities it deserves to die lol, funny thing is the "players balance" is helping tank the mode not that devs need any help lol, too funny.
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Rifle unfortunately cant be as viable as other weapons in pvp cuz of its weapon type and access to stealth or it would dominate.
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> @"Shao.7236" said:
> > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > @"Shao.7236" said:
> > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > > > > @"Shao.7236" said:
> > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > > > > > > @"Shao.7236" said:
> > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"Shao.7236" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"Shao.7236" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Shao.7236" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Dahkeus.8243" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Shao.7236" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can actually play what you want given you care enough to play it right. There's a lot of clear counters to many builds and I have yet to see one that can do it all.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think many warriors would disagree with this sentiment...
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Because all warriors were actually spellbreakers playing the same tether might spam endurance regen build when PoF came out. They all got the same cheesy slice and it's gone, have to get gud now.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Ah yes, because the reason we dont see *any* warriors in top tier or any tournaments anymore is just because they have to "get gud" and not the fact that warrior is currently unplayable. And its only coencidence that Anet buffed them up (even if it was far from enough).
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I've seen and played warrior builds that are pretty viable, obviously they aren't going to dance around a node for the entire duration of the game because that's what the issue was in the first place. Again, having such high expectations.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You havent. There arent viable warrior builds right now. Thats a simple statement of fact. Warrior is on the same level (if not possibly below) mirage right now, who is equally unplayable. Thats why there were 0 warriors in MOTA, 0 in high ranks, and probably 0 in MATs (I admit I stopped counting after a while). If by "high expectations" you mean "thinking that a class shouldnt be so bad every good player drops it like a hot potato", then you have a weird definition of "high expectations". Also, you are aware that dancing around a node for the entire duration of the game is the default right now, right? Sidenoders dont die in a 1v1, ever. They get +1d, and until then they just try to knock the other off the point using knockbacks. Thats actually warriors biggest issue, a lack of a good knockback.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Most warriors (Even myself) that I see play deal damage and actually don't waste all their CC at once because that was something back then, spamming everything you got because damage. Setup bursts rather, Stomp exists as a knock back that grants Stability too, be it anything with more than 1 target, that's more stacks.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Again, you dont. Damage in general right now is too low to ever kill someone on your own, and Warrior is lower than even the average. Also, if anything, you spam more *now*, because you cant afford to delay even a single point of damage, because well, there is too little of it anyway. Right now warrior is a sidenoder who simply lacks the knockback and damage to be effective, and provides *nothing*.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Also to imply that "good" players use anything that has a skill ceiling is false, they don't. People would actually have an identity with their so called "favorite" class if they did.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ah yes, thats why we see so many Power revs played in top tier. After all, it famously has no skill ceiling, and totally isnt a really difficult class that even Anet confirmed is difficult. You dont actually believe your rubbish yourself, do you? No, they didnt use Warrior not because its got a "skill ceiling", but simply because warrior is currently not viable at all.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > All Revs that play top tier don't even duel, your point?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Whats that got to do with anything? Your claim was that "good players wouldnt use anything with a skill ceiling". My easy counterpoint to that is power rev, something that has a high skill ceiling, and that good players play. A *lot*. So, your logic fails.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gonna add to the fact they are all herald, power or condi and never reach to challenge players because they clearly can't play it to that much potential, there has been less players than I can count on my fingers that actually play Herald Power without being just a pseudo theif wanna be delete everything picking the fights.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Elitism from below. Now thats new. But equally ridiculous.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > It's clear that even if they wanted, the meta builds are terrible at it anyway, but this is conquest. Obviously we wouldn't care, but that still doesn't change the truth of it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The truth that spellbreaker is not viable? Yeah sure, that doenst change.
> > > > >
> > > > > The current meta power herald has a "medium" skill ceiling, it barely interacts with what it makes revenant the class it is and the high skill ceiling aspect is never used in practice, core on the other hand has way more going for it. Condi Herald has a low skill ceiling to medium in my opinion given that nobody ever manages conditions at all on their teams, they call it a duelist/side nodder instead which is a /joke/, because it's the most telegraphed and easier to control given that it can actually turn mid fights around with proper managing instead of wasting it's time never dying against people don't know how to deal with them.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > If your "logic" were to hold, it would hold on all iterations. We had a high skill ceiling Rev be extremely popular, to the point where Anet even talked about it. Ask Leonidrex about it, he got the memes for it. But long story short, high skill ceiling, still extremely popular. Good players play anything if its good. Even high skill ceiling classes.
> > > >
> > > > > Spellbreaker is no longer the evade spam class that it was, it's not hard to see why it fell out of the meta.
> > > >
> > > > ... of all the things to mention. You mention the one that ... wasnt hit? Warrios evades werent touched. It has nothing to do why its not meta. Instead, its not meta because sidenoding has been reduced to knockbacks and waiting for +1s, and Warrior doesnt have a good knockback and its not great at setting up +1s either. Its woefully lacking in damage.
> > >
> > > Yeah sure warrior not being meta totally has to do with the fact it can't evade spam anymore. Meanwhile Hammer is pretty good actually.
> >
> > Why dont u just be honest and say "hi, I'm a rev main, yes one of thee most broken classes in pvp right now. I'm here to tell all u warrior mains that even though warrior is considered one of if not thee weakest classes in the game even by most vet players that warrior is in fact strong and you all just need to learn to play it. I am certainly not saying this due to the fact that I'm just enjoying the fact that my broken main can now easily stomp a warrior in its weak state and would rather them not be buffed to a point where they may pose a threat again". " I would also state that I care so much for all the players who enjoy warrior and would rather see the class remain unviable and cause warrior mains leave this game we all love then for me to face challenging classes when I pvp cuz I'm a standard gw2 pvp player complete with the mentality"
> > "U can see from my post history I obviously have no bias against warrior or splbrs lol"
> > There said all the things u meant to say.
> >
> >
> > So weird people are leaving this community so fast.
>
> Yes Revenant is absolutely broken even though it can be eaten by Warriors. Meanwhile I am the only rev main that actually agree's with all the shiro nerfs and don't want to see more buffs, but actual nerfs and redesigns. Thanks!
Yes warriors in high lv play are destroying revs left and right lmao, again ur bias and statements are to ridiculous to take serious. Sry haha.
Seriously u do realize gw2 pvp is perfect example of a game that players bandwagon to the most effective builds even if it means leaving their long time main, not all but most and the fact warrior has fallen so far down in most players playtime or in showings in high lv play and comps is a testament to its visibility especially in this game lol.
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The way shroud works is a poor implementation version that basically promotes it as a carry mechanic. It being as effective as it is it should have a 30 sec or more icd. Yeah allow skills and traits to regen shroud but make the ability only usable again after a moderate icd cuz as it stands now it just rewards bad play, ad does a lot of mechanics in this game.
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> @"Shao.7236" said:
> > @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > > @"Shao.7236" said:
> > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > > > > @"Shao.7236" said:
> > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > > > > > > @"Shao.7236" said:
> > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"Shao.7236" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"Shao.7236" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"Dahkeus.8243" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Shao.7236" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > You can actually play what you want given you care enough to play it right. There's a lot of clear counters to many builds and I have yet to see one that can do it all.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I think many warriors would disagree with this sentiment...
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Because all warriors were actually spellbreakers playing the same tether might spam endurance regen build when PoF came out. They all got the same cheesy slice and it's gone, have to get gud now.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ah yes, because the reason we dont see *any* warriors in top tier or any tournaments anymore is just because they have to "get gud" and not the fact that warrior is currently unplayable. And its only coencidence that Anet buffed them up (even if it was far from enough).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I've seen and played warrior builds that are pretty viable, obviously they aren't going to dance around a node for the entire duration of the game because that's what the issue was in the first place. Again, having such high expectations.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You havent. There arent viable warrior builds right now. Thats a simple statement of fact. Warrior is on the same level (if not possibly below) mirage right now, who is equally unplayable. Thats why there were 0 warriors in MOTA, 0 in high ranks, and probably 0 in MATs (I admit I stopped counting after a while). If by "high expectations" you mean "thinking that a class shouldnt be so bad every good player drops it like a hot potato", then you have a weird definition of "high expectations". Also, you are aware that dancing around a node for the entire duration of the game is the default right now, right? Sidenoders dont die in a 1v1, ever. They get +1d, and until then they just try to knock the other off the point using knockbacks. Thats actually warriors biggest issue, a lack of a good knockback.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Most warriors (Even myself) that I see play deal damage and actually don't waste all their CC at once because that was something back then, spamming everything you got because damage. Setup bursts rather, Stomp exists as a knock back that grants Stability too, be it anything with more than 1 target, that's more stacks.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Again, you dont. Damage in general right now is too low to ever kill someone on your own, and Warrior is lower than even the average. Also, if anything, you spam more *now*, because you cant afford to delay even a single point of damage, because well, there is too little of it anyway. Right now warrior is a sidenoder who simply lacks the knockback and damage to be effective, and provides *nothing*.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also to imply that "good" players use anything that has a skill ceiling is false, they don't. People would actually have an identity with their so called "favorite" class if they did.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ah yes, thats why we see so many Power revs played in top tier. After all, it famously has no skill ceiling, and totally isnt a really difficult class that even Anet confirmed is difficult. You dont actually believe your rubbish yourself, do you? No, they didnt use Warrior not because its got a "skill ceiling", but simply because warrior is currently not viable at all.
> > > > >
> > > > > All Revs that play top tier don't even duel, your point?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Whats that got to do with anything? Your claim was that "good players wouldnt use anything with a skill ceiling". My easy counterpoint to that is power rev, something that has a high skill ceiling, and that good players play. A *lot*. So, your logic fails.
> > > >
> > > > > Gonna add to the fact they are all herald, power or condi and never reach to challenge players because they clearly can't play it to that much potential, there has been less players than I can count on my fingers that actually play Herald Power without being just a pseudo theif wanna be delete everything picking the fights.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Elitism from below. Now thats new. But equally ridiculous.
> > > >
> > > > > It's clear that even if they wanted, the meta builds are terrible at it anyway, but this is conquest. Obviously we wouldn't care, but that still doesn't change the truth of it.
> > > >
> > > > The truth that spellbreaker is not viable? Yeah sure, that doenst change.
> > >
> > > The current meta power herald has a "medium" skill ceiling, it barely interacts with what it makes revenant the class it is and the high skill ceiling aspect is never used in practice, core on the other hand has way more going for it. Condi Herald has a low skill ceiling to medium in my opinion given that nobody ever manages conditions at all on their teams, they call it a duelist/side nodder instead which is a /joke/, because it's the most telegraphed and easier to control given that it can actually turn mid fights around with proper managing instead of wasting it's time never dying against people don't know how to deal with them.
> > >
> >
> > If your "logic" were to hold, it would hold on all iterations. We had a high skill ceiling Rev be extremely popular, to the point where Anet even talked about it. Ask Leonidrex about it, he got the memes for it. But long story short, high skill ceiling, still extremely popular. Good players play anything if its good. Even high skill ceiling classes.
> >
> > > Spellbreaker is no longer the evade spam class that it was, it's not hard to see why it fell out of the meta.
> >
> > ... of all the things to mention. You mention the one that ... wasnt hit? Warrios evades werent touched. It has nothing to do why its not meta. Instead, its not meta because sidenoding has been reduced to knockbacks and waiting for +1s, and Warrior doesnt have a good knockback and its not great at setting up +1s either. Its woefully lacking in damage.
>
> Yeah sure warrior not being meta totally has to do with the fact it can't evade spam anymore. Meanwhile Hammer is pretty good actually.
Why dont u just be honest and say "hi, I'm a rev main, yes one of thee most broken classes in pvp right now. I'm here to tell all u warrior mains that even though warrior is considered one of if not thee weakest classes in the game even by most vet players that warrior is in fact strong and you all just need to learn to play it. I am certainly not saying this due to the fact that I'm just enjoying the fact that my broken main can now easily stomp a warrior in its weak state and would rather them not be buffed to a point where they may pose a threat again". " I would also state that I care so much for all the players who enjoy warrior and would rather see the class remain unviable and cause warrior mains leave this game we all love then for me to face challenging classes when I pvp cuz I'm a standard gw2 pvp player complete with the mentality"
"U can see from my post history I obviously have no bias against warrior or splbrs lol"
There said all the things u meant to say.
So weird people are leaving this community so fast.
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> @"LetoII.3782" said:
> > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > @"Justine.6351" said:
> > > > @"GROMIT.7829" said:
> > > > Sup my dude, WvW has been abandoned again and the little they do do is simply to stem the whining in their eyes.
> > > >
> > > > Can't wait for Guild Wars 3 to come out with no World Vs World because you can gauntee they don't want that headache.
> > >
> > > Gw3 would go back to the gw1 party format probably, we'll IF done "right".
> >
> > Given the lack of development and support not to mention passion anet has had for gw2 in last couple years I doubt gw3 will be a thing, I'd guess a completely different game probably of a different genre is probably where anets heads are at.
>
> NCsoft seems to have taken more direct control after Mike O'Brien left.
> MMORPG's are NCsoft's thing. I kinda think it's the future in non-MMO's that left with Mike.
That may be true but clearly gw2 isnt ncsofts "thing" cuz for a company its size gw2 is getting very little developmental backing. Maybe ncsoft is working on a new mmorpg that's non gw2 related as they look to their future, it's pretty evident that isn't gw2.
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Gw2 story and writing is lolz bad. It's all subjective of course.
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> @"Justine.6351" said:
> > @"GROMIT.7829" said:
> > Sup my dude, WvW has been abandoned again and the little they do do is simply to stem the whining in their eyes.
> >
> > Can't wait for Guild Wars 3 to come out with no World Vs World because you can gauntee they don't want that headache.
>
> Gw3 would go back to the gw1 party format probably, we'll IF done "right".
Given the lack of development and support not to mention passion anet has had for gw2 in last couple years I doubt gw3 will be a thing, I'd guess a completely different game probably of a different genre is probably where anets heads are at.
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The cantha alliances..... soon
Guess is 2022 earliest possibly 2023.
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> @"Spellhunter.9675" said:
> > @"Shiyo.3578" said:
> > 100% of my games are using mind games and outsmarting my opponent to win because every single person is playing a pure bunker invincible build and just afks on the node with it.
>
> So for a win you have to use brain? wow such a bad state of the game. Would be much better when you can just randomly smash your buttons with built in evade frames, stability etc. and dish out tons of dps.
> And I can guarantee there is no build which can last longer then 15 second afk standing on point vs half decent dps build.
>
>
Lmao using ur brain and gw2 pvp in same sentence is so wrong in so many ways especially now. Games a trash carry spam.meta, course can understand why players of certain classes love it.
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> @"Fat Disgrace.4275" said:
> > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > @"Lighter.5631" said:
> > > berserker f1s are even worse
> >
> > And so is its _**sustain**_, makes sense.
>
> Watch your mouth using them kind of words in the warrior forums, want me to wash your mouth out with soap :angry:
Haha when I was a kid and my mother used that tactic on me I figured I'd out smart her with reverse psychology and was like mom that's actually pretty good, didn't work so well lol
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> @"mistsim.2748" said:
> > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > Guys cmon gw2 is not that great of a mmo, its combat mechanics are good for pvp, but the rest? Lol why are u still subjecting urself to such garbage gaming experience when there's so many better games/experiences out there. Teach the devs a lesson and drop the meme game.
>
> no pvp arpg games. got one?
Well if pvp is ur focus why choose a mmo for such, they have the worst pvp available.
Gw2 USED to have the best pvp even tho the bar was low to begin with but the current version is trash just like eso,ff14 and wow. Difference is u play gw2 and whether its cuz u remember times when it was decent or think of its potential frustrations set in fast within a few matches on top of all its other known issues. Play eso or ff14 and yeah thier pvp is trash to but for different reasons that don't lead to near the frustration gw2 has and in the end at least for me end up making them more enjoyable, subjective of course. On top both those games have far far better stories and pve experiences, ff14 story, dungeon and raids mop the floor with gw2. Players and gw2 streamers talk about how slow ff combat is which is bs, its cuz they never reached 60+. Been playing gw2 for a lot of yrs and when first picked up ff14 combat was very slow but by lv 60 the combat is only slightly slower than gw2 but with twice as many skills and 100x better animations than gw2. Mmo players get so fixated on their mmo that any other never compares, I was the same.
Lastly if ur JUST wanting pvp games like for honor, Alex legends, mona's or fps are far better set up for pvp then any mmo.
Look up ff14 samurai rotation or ninja rotations at end game, tell me the rotations are slow and the animations are not way more well done than gw2.
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> @"Syllar.7451" said:
> > @"kharmin.7683" said:
> > > @"Syllar.7451" said:
> > > Im playing this game 3 month, got 2 characters fully ascended (geared second from fractal drops), finished Skyscale in first month of play, 10 more days and i will have first legendary and i still feels like i got bunch of things to try and do....definitely going for Griffon next, bought lw3 long ago still didnt try it...i say play what you enjoy, for example raids burned me after playing wow for years so i still didnt tuch them, but j love fractals so i focus one them.
> >
> > Wow, I envy the amount of time you must have. ;)
>
> I do have it atm, and im pretty sure you would too if your country is locked up completely for 3 months(ofc it isnt, i gues you dont know what covid is) ;)
Unless their a essential worker like I am and in some cases have less time then normal :).
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> @"Khalisto.5780" said:
> Nope
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> Even if you have 100 viable builds only few of those will perform well in higher tiers, and the community will naturally lean towards them
In this case yeah but its possible to have one build naturally be more viable in some cases and others in other cases not this one build is better in all cases mentality. If one build being the one used in high play is what we want to strive for than make things way easier for the devs to balance and just delete the trait and build system and set it to one build, have the weapons and their skills add the variety that way in the end were all playing the same builds and is easier to balance, I mean u may as well right? Since we're all gonna play the one most broken build anyway.
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> @"youle.5824" said:
> > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > Guys cmon gw2 is not that great of a mmo, its combat mechanics are good for pvp, but the rest? Lol why are u still subjecting urself to such garbage gaming experience when there's so many better games/experiences out there. Teach the devs a lesson and drop the meme game.
>
> I have tried most and none can compare to GW2 , BNS PvP was the closest to descent action combat PvP but the situation is way worse over there..
Ur right gw2 does have one of the best potentials for pvp but the game slips farther and farther from its potential due to so many reasons. If u are only playing gw29r a mmo for pvp I'd wonder why u chose the mmo genre to fill ur pvp needs. If u also enjoy pve, dungeon and raiding as well as some pvp then yeah I'd say there are better over all mmo experiences out there. Everything is subjective in the end of course.
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> @"Master Ketsu.4569" said:
> Diversity is a false god.
>
> The idea that having thousands of different options would make something better is the same fallacy as assuming that quantity = quality, which is objectively false as it can be demonstrated to be untrue with simple math:
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> X = 20 x1000
> Y = 5x10000
> Y>X
> 50000>20000
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> To put this in perspective of GW2: Would you rather have 5 viable builds per class that are fun, well designed, interactive to play both as and against, and fairly skill-based? Or would you want 20 viable builds per class that are completely based on luck, are drop dead boring to play, have zero counterplay/are completely rock-paper-scissors, and make little to no difference when played by a veteran vs being played by a trained monkey that is just 12345-ing his skillbar?
>
> The prime focus of balance should IMO just be making sure every class has at least 1 meta build to play. Everything else should be going into making sure that meta is well designed around quality gameplay.
My guess would be when people say good build diversity they are referring to having 5 or so well balanced and viable builds across the roster, not 1 or 2 and not 20+ builds.
Half the traits being useless, unused or bugged as well as poor balancing on skills I suspect are why people complain about build deversity being low. When u keep gw2 trait and build system in mind proper balance and actual attention given to underperforming, unused or buggy traits could definitely result in higher build deversity. It's a shame with gw2 potential as far as builds to see everyone running the same builds.
why surge of the mists literally CC you 9 times
in Player vs. Player
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> @"felix.2386" said:
> why surge of the mists is allowed to strip through 2 stack of stability and still CC you on a single use.
Cuz this is gw2.