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> @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > @"Luthan.5236" said:
> > > > I find them to be the least annoying thief spec and core and daredevil more annoying. Most of the time (I play in lower skill tier though) they are only ranged and not switching to melee that often. Pulling them or moving quickly into melee makes them run away or stealth (if not they die easily).
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> > > > When they run away or go stealth you can recover from damage taken. Then trying to outsmart them. People above suggested things. Using line of sight against them and trying to avoid the ranged damage.
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> > > TECHNICALLY deadeye can permanently stealth and permanently keep removing and avoiding reveal debuff, with shadowmeld, waiting it out or waiting for stealth to run out before attacking, and this pisses people off. But in practice its conquest so nobody gives a kitten as long as you dont impact the map or steal nodes from people.
> > > Deadeye is just annoying, but when you look at that spec why do people play it? to win? hell nah, just to kitten people off.
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> > This^ I'd bet its few few times anyone's said man sure glad we had that DE on our team lol usually it's more like man if that DE played anything but DE we may have won.
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> DE in my team = this sucks.
> DE in enemy team = this suck but i propably win
Exactly, ull prob win the match cuz the DE is on opposite team but even tho u won the match the DE will have made the match unfun and frustrating.
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> @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > @"Luthan.5236" said:
> > I find them to be the least annoying thief spec and core and daredevil more annoying. Most of the time (I play in lower skill tier though) they are only ranged and not switching to melee that often. Pulling them or moving quickly into melee makes them run away or stealth (if not they die easily).
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> > When they run away or go stealth you can recover from damage taken. Then trying to outsmart them. People above suggested things. Using line of sight against them and trying to avoid the ranged damage.
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> TECHNICALLY deadeye can permanently stealth and permanently keep removing and avoiding reveal debuff, with shadowmeld, waiting it out or waiting for stealth to run out before attacking, and this pisses people off. But in practice its conquest so nobody gives a kitten as long as you dont impact the map or steal nodes from people.
> Deadeye is just annoying, but when you look at that spec why do people play it? to win? hell nah, just to kitten people off.
This^ I'd bet its few few times anyone's said man sure glad we had that DE on our team lol usually it's more like man if that DE played anything but DE we may have won.
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Lol wut? U sure ur not confused on the class?
Let's not pretend this thread is a result of somthing it's not. U died to a better player that used a sup par class that's mechanics feel un fair to die to if u dont have the skills yet to counter it.
Move along, ull get bettering time and look back and have a laugh u ever thought DE was OP.
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Remove the words "circle of" from the title and ur title would be more accurate.
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> @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said:
> > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > W> @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p!
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If they can't escape then they need enough sustain to wait for reinforcements , you are right saying that the wait aka time to kill cannot be too long for balance reasons obviously but that doesn't change the fact that sustain is necessary for some classes to counterbalance their inability to escape safely as a thief.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If a spec invested in sustain then it should survive for enough time, say...40s...if now it's 1m+ then we need to reduce the sustain of such specs to reasonable levels and lower the kill time to 40s from 1m+, I hope thieves are not asking to lower the kill time to 0s like insta kill the +1 player even if he has full CD
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Uh I dunno, **we** certainly get instakilled. Why only us?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > **You** certainly get insta killed because your build lacks any means of escape, otherwise there is no way to insta kill a thief right now unless you play a "kill or die" spec and thief is afk or with no CD left to spare, either way if you play a burst spec with a zerker/marauder at 0 toughness you can expect always to live far less than somebody who specced in defense with a toughness amulet
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> > > > > > > > > > > Wrong assumption as usual. I play Marauder and most of my utilities are stealth / stunbreak / escapes. Just play thief already holy kitten. Play thief and stop trying to pretend you know anything about the class when you **don't** play thief.
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> > > > > > > > > > So you have all the tools to escape death on thief while using a burst spec...a luxury other professions don't have and that will be all from me to you
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> > > > > > > > > And as a higher sustain class u can last far longer in situations where a thief would disengage from so ur point?
> > > > > > > > > Are u expecting tanks to disengage like thieves or thieves to not be able to disengage and be low sustain or u want thiefs to be high sustain and not need to disengage which isn't very rogue like.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Other professions that don't invest in sustain and try to play like a thief instead, will live a far shorter time compared to a thief in the same role..that's all I am saying
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> > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > W> @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If they can't escape then they need enough sustain to wait for reinforcements , you are right saying that the wait aka time to kill cannot be too long for balance reasons obviously but that doesn't change the fact that sustain is necessary for some classes to counterbalance their inability to escape safely as a thief.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If a spec invested in sustain then it should survive for enough time, say...40s...if now it's 1m+ then we need to reduce the sustain of such specs to reasonable levels and lower the kill time to 40s from 1m+, I hope thieves are not asking to lower the kill time to 0s like insta kill the +1 player even if he has full CD
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Uh I dunno, **we** certainly get instakilled. Why only us?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > **You** certainly get insta killed because your build lacks any means of escape, otherwise there is no way to insta kill a thief right now unless you play a "kill or die" spec and thief is afk or with no CD left to spare, either way if you play a burst spec with a zerker/marauder at 0 toughness you can expect always to live far less than somebody who specced in defense with a toughness amulet
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> > > > > > > > > > > Wrong assumption as usual. I play Marauder and most of my utilities are stealth / stunbreak / escapes. Just play thief already holy kitten. Play thief and stop trying to pretend you know anything about the class when you **don't** play thief.
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> > > > > > > > > > So you have all the tools to escape death on thief while using a burst spec...a luxury other professions don't have and that will be all from me to you
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > And as a higher sustain class u can last far longer in situations where a thief would disengage from so ur point?
> > > > > > > > > Are u expecting tanks to disengage like thieves or thieves to not be able to disengage and be low sustain or u want thiefs to be high sustain and not need to disengage which isn't very rogue like.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Other professions that don't invest in sustain and try to play like a thief instead, will live a far shorter time compared to a thief in the same role..that's all I am saying
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nope. They would still live a much longer time. Higher base stats, and higher defenses you happen to have anyway. Hell just take Spellbreaker, or as I like to call it, "Fat Thief". Even when it doesnt invest in sustain, it still will live much longer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You mention spellbreaker but that's a sustain line sort of, I was comparing a profession using a DPS spec to a thief, in warrior case it would be Berseker which yes would live far less than a thief in the same role, while using dps lines like strength , discipline and Berseker. I have said that a profession trying to play like thief while using dps lines and amulet..would not live as long, not forgetting that you won't be able to relocate just as fast if at all.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Spellbreaker is not a sustain line at all. It has no sustain. Its a DPS and Boonrip line. It also feels like thief, hence fat thief. But sure, lets go Berserker. That one too, lives much longer than thief does. Even if they go full offense.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Let's no try to play down the obvious strengths of the thief class, everybody including you is well aware of them, yes they are glaring disparities at the moment but credit is due where is due
> > > > >
> > > > > I mean, the obvious strength thief has is mobility. But thats it.
> > > >
> > > > Thief has also , the element of the first strike . Thats dealt 2/3 of the target hp and then toy him with Daze .
> > > > Or re-stealth and do that again or run away
> > >
> > > You really need to stop talking about thief, the more you do, the more clear it becomes to everyone you dont know thief at all. You dont even do 1/2 of a targets HP out of stealth. You will struggle to even do 1/3. 1/4, maybe. Good thieves still dont restealth mid-combat. They will run away. You still havent answered why if in-combat stealth is so good, Sindrener never uses it. Dont forget to answer.
> >
> > Well u could run CS/DA/TRICK with zerk,scholars and assassin sig and do high backstabs on squishier builds but issue is builds got low clears and low utility so not very useful outside of that initial burst, thsts fine issue is other classes can build far more useful and tanky builds in general while bursting the same as that thief build lol.
>
> >zerk
> hhhhahahahahaha
>
> People don't play thief past bronze where zerk flies.
>
> Anything less than 16k HP will get melted in one shot. Anything around 16k, ie Marauder, ie the thing you *should* be running as a power thief, will only get you melted in two hits, which is a 200% efficiency increase. Amazing.
>
> Of course, to be viable, you still have to take Flickering Shadows, and multiple ports, and at least two stunbreaks, and...
>
> ...And the only way I can make core power thief work in this meta, especially with P/P bang bang, is to put 70% of the build into disruption or defense. I wish I had a fourth specline so I could also take Acrobatics, but alas I have to be a minimum relevant at some point and have to take Deadly arts for that Executionner's Strike, so I can at the very least try to go for food the grownups on my team have chewed up a little for me.
>
> 'Thief is fine'
>
> Not it's not. Shame on that guy for being misleading for the sake of drumming up drama and therefore attention. Several mechanics are broken but beyond that, is thief 'fine' on its own? It's fun, it doesn't delete people if you don't run the current condi meta, yes, it's 'fine', it's 'fine' as in it would be actually fine if the rest of the game was balanced around thief right now. If you brought all the other classes back to Thief's current powerlevel, the PvP meta would be a lot less cancerous. But it's not, actually, fine to play right now. At all. It's kitten.
>
> Also, you can't even tell what's a squishy build anymore. There is no tell whether that guy is wearing Paladin Amulet or Zerk. Eles can just rock attune and give you the middle finger, mesmer you have no reason to try and attack them, necros are the entire opposite of what a guy with a cloth robe should be in a knife fight. What exactly is a squishy build to a thief? Well, any other thief.
I know, my point was the full dps build vallun advocated was basically a way to show thief could do high dps, to bad build is bad and would be useless in serious play, like a 3 min cd elite. Also I've never been near bronze so not sure what flies there, I'm guessing anything but in plat 1 p/p thief doesn't fare well, has it ever? More of a pve weapon kit.
Vallun wasn't misleading as he stated sustain and damage needs lowered on some classes which would elevate thiefs current position significantly, it's just a lot of the community chose to ignore that part and focus on thief is fine statement cuz it fits thier argument.
He also showed circumstances where thief could do high dps using a 3 min cd elite and not very useful build to achieve such but he showed its possible and with sustain lowered as he mentioned those extremes wouldn't be needed.
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> @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said:
> > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > W> @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If they can't escape then they need enough sustain to wait for reinforcements , you are right saying that the wait aka time to kill cannot be too long for balance reasons obviously but that doesn't change the fact that sustain is necessary for some classes to counterbalance their inability to escape safely as a thief.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If a spec invested in sustain then it should survive for enough time, say...40s...if now it's 1m+ then we need to reduce the sustain of such specs to reasonable levels and lower the kill time to 40s from 1m+, I hope thieves are not asking to lower the kill time to 0s like insta kill the +1 player even if he has full CD
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Uh I dunno, **we** certainly get instakilled. Why only us?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > **You** certainly get insta killed because your build lacks any means of escape, otherwise there is no way to insta kill a thief right now unless you play a "kill or die" spec and thief is afk or with no CD left to spare, either way if you play a burst spec with a zerker/marauder at 0 toughness you can expect always to live far less than somebody who specced in defense with a toughness amulet
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Wrong assumption as usual. I play Marauder and most of my utilities are stealth / stunbreak / escapes. Just play thief already holy kitten. Play thief and stop trying to pretend you know anything about the class when you **don't** play thief.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So you have all the tools to escape death on thief while using a burst spec...a luxury other professions don't have and that will be all from me to you
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > And as a higher sustain class u can last far longer in situations where a thief would disengage from so ur point?
> > > > > > > > > Are u expecting tanks to disengage like thieves or thieves to not be able to disengage and be low sustain or u want thiefs to be high sustain and not need to disengage which isn't very rogue like.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Other professions that don't invest in sustain and try to play like a thief instead, will live a far shorter time compared to a thief in the same role..that's all I am saying
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > W> @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If they can't escape then they need enough sustain to wait for reinforcements , you are right saying that the wait aka time to kill cannot be too long for balance reasons obviously but that doesn't change the fact that sustain is necessary for some classes to counterbalance their inability to escape safely as a thief.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If a spec invested in sustain then it should survive for enough time, say...40s...if now it's 1m+ then we need to reduce the sustain of such specs to reasonable levels and lower the kill time to 40s from 1m+, I hope thieves are not asking to lower the kill time to 0s like insta kill the +1 player even if he has full CD
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Uh I dunno, **we** certainly get instakilled. Why only us?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > **You** certainly get insta killed because your build lacks any means of escape, otherwise there is no way to insta kill a thief right now unless you play a "kill or die" spec and thief is afk or with no CD left to spare, either way if you play a burst spec with a zerker/marauder at 0 toughness you can expect always to live far less than somebody who specced in defense with a toughness amulet
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Wrong assumption as usual. I play Marauder and most of my utilities are stealth / stunbreak / escapes. Just play thief already holy kitten. Play thief and stop trying to pretend you know anything about the class when you **don't** play thief.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So you have all the tools to escape death on thief while using a burst spec...a luxury other professions don't have and that will be all from me to you
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > And as a higher sustain class u can last far longer in situations where a thief would disengage from so ur point?
> > > > > > > > > Are u expecting tanks to disengage like thieves or thieves to not be able to disengage and be low sustain or u want thiefs to be high sustain and not need to disengage which isn't very rogue like.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Other professions that don't invest in sustain and try to play like a thief instead, will live a far shorter time compared to a thief in the same role..that's all I am saying
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nope. They would still live a much longer time. Higher base stats, and higher defenses you happen to have anyway. Hell just take Spellbreaker, or as I like to call it, "Fat Thief". Even when it doesnt invest in sustain, it still will live much longer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You mention spellbreaker but that's a sustain line sort of, I was comparing a profession using a DPS spec to a thief, in warrior case it would be Berseker which yes would live far less than a thief in the same role, while using dps lines like strength , discipline and Berseker. I have said that a profession trying to play like thief while using dps lines and amulet..would not live as long, not forgetting that you won't be able to relocate just as fast if at all.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Spellbreaker is not a sustain line at all. It has no sustain. Its a DPS and Boonrip line. It also feels like thief, hence fat thief. But sure, lets go Berserker. That one too, lives much longer than thief does. Even if they go full offense.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Let's no try to play down the obvious strengths of the thief class, everybody including you is well aware of them, yes they are glaring disparities at the moment but credit is due where is due
> > > > >
> > > > > I mean, the obvious strength thief has is mobility. But thats it.
> > > >
> > > > Thief has also , the element of the first strike . Thats dealt 2/3 of the target hp and then toy him with Daze .
> > > > Or re-stealth and do that again or run away
> > >
> > > You really need to stop talking about thief, the more you do, the more clear it becomes to everyone you dont know thief at all. You dont even do 1/2 of a targets HP out of stealth. You will struggle to even do 1/3. 1/4, maybe. Good thieves still dont restealth mid-combat. They will run away. You still havent answered why if in-combat stealth is so good, Sindrener never uses it. Dont forget to answer.
> >
> > Well u could run CS/DA/TRICK with zerk,scholars and assassin sig and do high backstabs on squishier builds but issue is builds got low clears and low utility so not very useful outside of that initial burst, thsts fine issue is other classes can build far more useful and tanky builds in general while bursting the same as that thief build lol.
>
> We saw Vallun try that. Even with all that, most he got were 6k backstabs, and usually less. Thats still not really enough.
Well if sustain was lowered that 6k could possibly result in significantly more. Sustain is obviously to high, we kno that right? I mean power dps dropped but hp/armor wasn't nor was barrier or shroud like skills. Root on ranger was effectively made broken by this as well. Imaging thief got a damage buff and the sustain gets lowered as we know needs to happen, thiefs damage would be nerfed again so fast so why not just lower sustain?
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> @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > W> @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > > > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > > > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > > > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > > > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > > > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > > > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If they can't escape then they need enough sustain to wait for reinforcements , you are right saying that the wait aka time to kill cannot be too long for balance reasons obviously but that doesn't change the fact that sustain is necessary for some classes to counterbalance their inability to escape safely as a thief.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If a spec invested in sustain then it should survive for enough time, say...40s...if now it's 1m+ then we need to reduce the sustain of such specs to reasonable levels and lower the kill time to 40s from 1m+, I hope thieves are not asking to lower the kill time to 0s like insta kill the +1 player even if he has full CD
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Uh I dunno, **we** certainly get instakilled. Why only us?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > **You** certainly get insta killed because your build lacks any means of escape, otherwise there is no way to insta kill a thief right now unless you play a "kill or die" spec and thief is afk or with no CD left to spare, either way if you play a burst spec with a zerker/marauder at 0 toughness you can expect always to live far less than somebody who specced in defense with a toughness amulet
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wrong assumption as usual. I play Marauder and most of my utilities are stealth / stunbreak / escapes. Just play thief already holy kitten. Play thief and stop trying to pretend you know anything about the class when you **don't** play thief.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So you have all the tools to escape death on thief while using a burst spec...a luxury other professions don't have and that will be all from me to you
> > > > >
> > > > > And as a higher sustain class u can last far longer in situations where a thief would disengage from so ur point?
> > > > > Are u expecting tanks to disengage like thieves or thieves to not be able to disengage and be low sustain or u want thiefs to be high sustain and not need to disengage which isn't very rogue like.
> > > >
> > > > Other professions that don't invest in sustain and try to play like a thief instead, will live a far shorter time compared to a thief in the same role..that's all I am saying
> > >
> > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > W> @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > > > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > > > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > > > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > > > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > > > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > > > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If they can't escape then they need enough sustain to wait for reinforcements , you are right saying that the wait aka time to kill cannot be too long for balance reasons obviously but that doesn't change the fact that sustain is necessary for some classes to counterbalance their inability to escape safely as a thief.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If a spec invested in sustain then it should survive for enough time, say...40s...if now it's 1m+ then we need to reduce the sustain of such specs to reasonable levels and lower the kill time to 40s from 1m+, I hope thieves are not asking to lower the kill time to 0s like insta kill the +1 player even if he has full CD
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Uh I dunno, **we** certainly get instakilled. Why only us?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > **You** certainly get insta killed because your build lacks any means of escape, otherwise there is no way to insta kill a thief right now unless you play a "kill or die" spec and thief is afk or with no CD left to spare, either way if you play a burst spec with a zerker/marauder at 0 toughness you can expect always to live far less than somebody who specced in defense with a toughness amulet
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wrong assumption as usual. I play Marauder and most of my utilities are stealth / stunbreak / escapes. Just play thief already holy kitten. Play thief and stop trying to pretend you know anything about the class when you **don't** play thief.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So you have all the tools to escape death on thief while using a burst spec...a luxury other professions don't have and that will be all from me to you
> > > > >
> > > > > And as a higher sustain class u can last far longer in situations where a thief would disengage from so ur point?
> > > > > Are u expecting tanks to disengage like thieves or thieves to not be able to disengage and be low sustain or u want thiefs to be high sustain and not need to disengage which isn't very rogue like.
> > > >
> > > > Other professions that don't invest in sustain and try to play like a thief instead, will live a far shorter time compared to a thief in the same role..that's all I am saying
> > >
> > > Nope. They would still live a much longer time. Higher base stats, and higher defenses you happen to have anyway. Hell just take Spellbreaker, or as I like to call it, "Fat Thief". Even when it doesnt invest in sustain, it still will live much longer.
> >
> > You mention spellbreaker but that's a sustain line sort of, I was comparing a profession using a DPS spec to a thief, in warrior case it would be Berseker which yes would live far less than a thief in the same role, while using dps lines like strength , discipline and Berseker. I have said that a profession trying to play like thief while using dps lines and amulet..would not live as long, not forgetting that you won't be able to relocate just as fast if at all.
> >
>
> Spellbreaker is not a sustain line at all. It has no sustain. Its a DPS and Boonrip line. It also feels like thief, hence fat thief. But sure, lets go Berserker. That one too, lives much longer than thief does. Even if they go full offense.
>
> > Let's no try to play down the obvious strengths of the thief class, everybody including you is well aware of them, yes they are glaring disparities at the moment but credit is due where is due
>
> I mean, the obvious strength thief has is mobility. But thats it.
Well in their defense splb was a pretty good defense/offensive line before mmr and healing signet nerf. With the short CD evade/stuns and healing from magebane from mmr in combo with healing sig u had some solid over all sustain.
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> @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said:
> > > @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > W> @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If they can't escape then they need enough sustain to wait for reinforcements , you are right saying that the wait aka time to kill cannot be too long for balance reasons obviously but that doesn't change the fact that sustain is necessary for some classes to counterbalance their inability to escape safely as a thief.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If a spec invested in sustain then it should survive for enough time, say...40s...if now it's 1m+ then we need to reduce the sustain of such specs to reasonable levels and lower the kill time to 40s from 1m+, I hope thieves are not asking to lower the kill time to 0s like insta kill the +1 player even if he has full CD
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Uh I dunno, **we** certainly get instakilled. Why only us?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > **You** certainly get insta killed because your build lacks any means of escape, otherwise there is no way to insta kill a thief right now unless you play a "kill or die" spec and thief is afk or with no CD left to spare, either way if you play a burst spec with a zerker/marauder at 0 toughness you can expect always to live far less than somebody who specced in defense with a toughness amulet
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Wrong assumption as usual. I play Marauder and most of my utilities are stealth / stunbreak / escapes. Just play thief already holy kitten. Play thief and stop trying to pretend you know anything about the class when you **don't** play thief.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So you have all the tools to escape death on thief while using a burst spec...a luxury other professions don't have and that will be all from me to you
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And as a higher sustain class u can last far longer in situations where a thief would disengage from so ur point?
> > > > > > > Are u expecting tanks to disengage like thieves or thieves to not be able to disengage and be low sustain or u want thiefs to be high sustain and not need to disengage which isn't very rogue like.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Other professions that don't invest in sustain and try to play like a thief instead, will live a far shorter time compared to a thief in the same role..that's all I am saying
> > > > >
> > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > W> @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If they can't escape then they need enough sustain to wait for reinforcements , you are right saying that the wait aka time to kill cannot be too long for balance reasons obviously but that doesn't change the fact that sustain is necessary for some classes to counterbalance their inability to escape safely as a thief.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If a spec invested in sustain then it should survive for enough time, say...40s...if now it's 1m+ then we need to reduce the sustain of such specs to reasonable levels and lower the kill time to 40s from 1m+, I hope thieves are not asking to lower the kill time to 0s like insta kill the +1 player even if he has full CD
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Uh I dunno, **we** certainly get instakilled. Why only us?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > **You** certainly get insta killed because your build lacks any means of escape, otherwise there is no way to insta kill a thief right now unless you play a "kill or die" spec and thief is afk or with no CD left to spare, either way if you play a burst spec with a zerker/marauder at 0 toughness you can expect always to live far less than somebody who specced in defense with a toughness amulet
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Wrong assumption as usual. I play Marauder and most of my utilities are stealth / stunbreak / escapes. Just play thief already holy kitten. Play thief and stop trying to pretend you know anything about the class when you **don't** play thief.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So you have all the tools to escape death on thief while using a burst spec...a luxury other professions don't have and that will be all from me to you
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And as a higher sustain class u can last far longer in situations where a thief would disengage from so ur point?
> > > > > > > Are u expecting tanks to disengage like thieves or thieves to not be able to disengage and be low sustain or u want thiefs to be high sustain and not need to disengage which isn't very rogue like.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Other professions that don't invest in sustain and try to play like a thief instead, will live a far shorter time compared to a thief in the same role..that's all I am saying
> > > > >
> > > > > Nope. They would still live a much longer time. Higher base stats, and higher defenses you happen to have anyway. Hell just take Spellbreaker, or as I like to call it, "Fat Thief". Even when it doesnt invest in sustain, it still will live much longer.
> > > >
> > > > You mention spellbreaker but that's a sustain line sort of, I was comparing a profession using a DPS spec to a thief, in warrior case it would be Berseker which yes would live far less than a thief in the same role, while using dps lines like strength , discipline and Berseker. I have said that a profession trying to play like thief while using dps lines and amulet..would not live as long, not forgetting that you won't be able to relocate just as fast if at all.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Spellbreaker is not a sustain line at all. It has no sustain. Its a DPS and Boonrip line. It also feels like thief, hence fat thief. But sure, lets go Berserker. That one too, lives much longer than thief does. Even if they go full offense.
> > >
> > > > Let's no try to play down the obvious strengths of the thief class, everybody including you is well aware of them, yes they are glaring disparities at the moment but credit is due where is due
> > >
> > > I mean, the obvious strength thief has is mobility. But thats it.
> >
> > Thief has also , the element of the first strike . Thats dealt 2/3 of the target hp and then toy him with Daze .
> > Or re-stealth and do that again or run away
>
> You really need to stop talking about thief, the more you do, the more clear it becomes to everyone you dont know thief at all. You dont even do 1/2 of a targets HP out of stealth. You will struggle to even do 1/3. 1/4, maybe. Good thieves still dont restealth mid-combat. They will run away. You still havent answered why if in-combat stealth is so good, Sindrener never uses it. Dont forget to answer.
Well u could run CS/DA/TRICK with zerk,scholars and assassin sig and do high backstabs on squishier builds but issue is builds got low clears and low utility so not very useful outside of that initial burst, thsts fine issue is other classes can build far more useful and tanky builds in general while bursting the same as that thief build lol.
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> @"Captain Kuro.8937" said:
> > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said:
> > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > W> @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If they can't escape then they need enough sustain to wait for reinforcements , you are right saying that the wait aka time to kill cannot be too long for balance reasons obviously but that doesn't change the fact that sustain is necessary for some classes to counterbalance their inability to escape safely as a thief.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If a spec invested in sustain then it should survive for enough time, say...40s...if now it's 1m+ then we need to reduce the sustain of such specs to reasonable levels and lower the kill time to 40s from 1m+, I hope thieves are not asking to lower the kill time to 0s like insta kill the +1 player even if he has full CD
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Uh I dunno, **we** certainly get instakilled. Why only us?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > **You** certainly get insta killed because your build lacks any means of escape, otherwise there is no way to insta kill a thief right now unless you play a "kill or die" spec and thief is afk or with no CD left to spare, either way if you play a burst spec with a zerker/marauder at 0 toughness you can expect always to live far less than somebody who specced in defense with a toughness amulet
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wrong assumption as usual. I play Marauder and most of my utilities are stealth / stunbreak / escapes. Just play thief already holy kitten. Play thief and stop trying to pretend you know anything about the class when you **don't** play thief.
> > > > >
> > > > > So you have all the tools to escape death on thief while using a burst spec...a luxury other professions don't have and that will be all from me to you
> > > >
> > > > Since he isnt using shortbow, actually he has fewer tools to escape death than other burst specs do. They *do* have that luxury. Calling thief a burst spec right now is also pretty generous, Id call it a gnat. That being said, since Shortbow 5 is literally the only reason thief is any good, playing without it is just shooting yourself in the foot.
> > >
> > > Dash and Heartseeker also gives mobility .
> > > We didn't have in Vanilia , and we still where king of obility
> >
> > Without sb5 thief still has superior disengage options in dash, shadowsteps and blinding fields combined with stealth, unless a reveal skikk is used of course.
> > The fact is high sustain classes shouldn't have the disengage potential thief has just as thief shouldn't be able to withstand the pressure or damage the higher sustain class can endure. Yes if a high sustain class gets outnumbered it can't run away like a thief and will more than likely die to the out numbered but it sure as hell will endure the outnumbered and the damage far better than a squishy thief would hense why thieves were given the disengage potential. Yeah if a thief is far more skilled than the other players it can use jukes,evades and blinds to live longer by avoiding dps but the same scenario occurs when a higher sustain class does the same with smart use of all its defensive skills,higher hp/armor etc. I get the idea that it's not far a thief can just disengage but think if it couldn't and kept its rogue like squishyness lol I'd be by far least played class in roster for a good reason
>
> You can ask the devst hen , to remove the traits that offer damage reduction in the daredevil and instead replacece them to deal damage . Its pretty easily solution .
> Rather than getting -30% damage in close combat , make it you can do +30% damage at close instead
>
>
But dd already has enough damage traits, as I said it's more the sustain on some classes need lowered than thief needing more damage.
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> @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > W> @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If they can't escape then they need enough sustain to wait for reinforcements , you are right saying that the wait aka time to kill cannot be too long for balance reasons obviously but that doesn't change the fact that sustain is necessary for some classes to counterbalance their inability to escape safely as a thief.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If a spec invested in sustain then it should survive for enough time, say...40s...if now it's 1m+ then we need to reduce the sustain of such specs to reasonable levels and lower the kill time to 40s from 1m+, I hope thieves are not asking to lower the kill time to 0s like insta kill the +1 player even if he has full CD
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Uh I dunno, **we** certainly get instakilled. Why only us?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > **You** certainly get insta killed because your build lacks any means of escape, otherwise there is no way to insta kill a thief right now unless you play a "kill or die" spec and thief is afk or with no CD left to spare, either way if you play a burst spec with a zerker/marauder at 0 toughness you can expect always to live far less than somebody who specced in defense with a toughness amulet
> > > > >
> > > > > Wrong assumption as usual. I play Marauder and most of my utilities are stealth / stunbreak / escapes. Just play thief already holy kitten. Play thief and stop trying to pretend you know anything about the class when you **don't** play thief.
> > > >
> > > > So you have all the tools to escape death on thief while using a burst spec...a luxury other professions don't have and that will be all from me to you
> > >
> > > Since he isnt using shortbow, actually he has fewer tools to escape death than other burst specs do. They *do* have that luxury. Calling thief a burst spec right now is also pretty generous, Id call it a gnat. That being said, since Shortbow 5 is literally the only reason thief is any good, playing without it is just shooting yourself in the foot.
> >
> > Thief is still a burst spec by design as all of its damage is carried through skills based on a burst playstyle, it's just that currently with the current sustain levels its bursts damage numbers aren't significant enough to apply the pressure needed to do its job efficiently. U can see this as dps to low or sustain to high and I think that sustain being to high is the better outlook to have on the situation.
>
> Thing is, thieves burst damage numbers against squishies are also not significant enough to apply notable pressure.
Well I wouldnt say that I've 1v1 glassy wars and rangers pretty fast. It's just if any class builds for sustain it shrugs ur burst off far to easy. Like if a necro can cycle its shroud and heals endlessly or holo with heal turrets etc all while ur severely outplaying it and landing most ur bursts but a warr or tanger built for pure dps drops fast than sustain is likely the issue not the damage.
A ranger can build tanky enough right now to stay defensive and its pet will kill the thief before thief gets ranger to half hp lol.
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> @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > W> @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If they can't escape then they need enough sustain to wait for reinforcements , you are right saying that the wait aka time to kill cannot be too long for balance reasons obviously but that doesn't change the fact that sustain is necessary for some classes to counterbalance their inability to escape safely as a thief.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If a spec invested in sustain then it should survive for enough time, say...40s...if now it's 1m+ then we need to reduce the sustain of such specs to reasonable levels and lower the kill time to 40s from 1m+, I hope thieves are not asking to lower the kill time to 0s like insta kill the +1 player even if he has full CD
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Uh I dunno, **we** certainly get instakilled. Why only us?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > **You** certainly get insta killed because your build lacks any means of escape, otherwise there is no way to insta kill a thief right now unless you play a "kill or die" spec and thief is afk or with no CD left to spare, either way if you play a burst spec with a zerker/marauder at 0 toughness you can expect always to live far less than somebody who specced in defense with a toughness amulet
> > > > >
> > > > > Wrong assumption as usual. I play Marauder and most of my utilities are stealth / stunbreak / escapes. Just play thief already holy kitten. Play thief and stop trying to pretend you know anything about the class when you **don't** play thief.
> > > >
> > > > So you have all the tools to escape death on thief while using a burst spec...a luxury other professions don't have and that will be all from me to you
> > >
> > > And as a higher sustain class u can last far longer in situations where a thief would disengage from so ur point?
> > > Are u expecting tanks to disengage like thieves or thieves to not be able to disengage and be low sustain or u want thiefs to be high sustain and not need to disengage which isn't very rogue like.
> >
> > Other professions that don't invest in sustain and try to play like a thief instead, will live a far shorter time compared to a thief in the same role..that's all I am saying
>
> > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > W> @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If they can't escape then they need enough sustain to wait for reinforcements , you are right saying that the wait aka time to kill cannot be too long for balance reasons obviously but that doesn't change the fact that sustain is necessary for some classes to counterbalance their inability to escape safely as a thief.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If a spec invested in sustain then it should survive for enough time, say...40s...if now it's 1m+ then we need to reduce the sustain of such specs to reasonable levels and lower the kill time to 40s from 1m+, I hope thieves are not asking to lower the kill time to 0s like insta kill the +1 player even if he has full CD
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Uh I dunno, **we** certainly get instakilled. Why only us?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > **You** certainly get insta killed because your build lacks any means of escape, otherwise there is no way to insta kill a thief right now unless you play a "kill or die" spec and thief is afk or with no CD left to spare, either way if you play a burst spec with a zerker/marauder at 0 toughness you can expect always to live far less than somebody who specced in defense with a toughness amulet
> > > > >
> > > > > Wrong assumption as usual. I play Marauder and most of my utilities are stealth / stunbreak / escapes. Just play thief already holy kitten. Play thief and stop trying to pretend you know anything about the class when you **don't** play thief.
> > > >
> > > > So you have all the tools to escape death on thief while using a burst spec...a luxury other professions don't have and that will be all from me to you
> > >
> > > And as a higher sustain class u can last far longer in situations where a thief would disengage from so ur point?
> > > Are u expecting tanks to disengage like thieves or thieves to not be able to disengage and be low sustain or u want thiefs to be high sustain and not need to disengage which isn't very rogue like.
> >
> > Other professions that don't invest in sustain and try to play like a thief instead, will live a far shorter time compared to a thief in the same role..that's all I am saying
>
> Nope. They would still live a much longer time. Higher base stats, and higher defenses you happen to have anyway. Hell just take Spellbreaker, or as I like to call it, "Fat Thief". Even when it doesnt invest in sustain, it still will live much longer.
Yeah but their sopose to last longer atleast shot for shot but if u play a zerk warrior u may last longer than even a thief who tried to build tanky shot for shot I think what their saying is if u build the warrior vs of squishy high dps it doesn't have the damage avoided disengage potential of thief which results in the warrior seemingly being destroyed fast which is true but fact remains the warrior can still endure more actual hits than the tanky thief would and has the option to build very tanky if the player wanted. Wars not a great example but say a guard,ranger or holo can build for bruiser builds and out bursts the thief's bursts potential which is off balance imo.
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> @"Captain Kuro.8937" said:
> > @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > W> @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If they can't escape then they need enough sustain to wait for reinforcements , you are right saying that the wait aka time to kill cannot be too long for balance reasons obviously but that doesn't change the fact that sustain is necessary for some classes to counterbalance their inability to escape safely as a thief.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If a spec invested in sustain then it should survive for enough time, say...40s...if now it's 1m+ then we need to reduce the sustain of such specs to reasonable levels and lower the kill time to 40s from 1m+, I hope thieves are not asking to lower the kill time to 0s like insta kill the +1 player even if he has full CD
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Uh I dunno, **we** certainly get instakilled. Why only us?
> > > > >
> > > > > **You** certainly get insta killed because your build lacks any means of escape, otherwise there is no way to insta kill a thief right now unless you play a "kill or die" spec and thief is afk or with no CD left to spare, either way if you play a burst spec with a zerker/marauder at 0 toughness you can expect always to live far less than somebody who specced in defense with a toughness amulet
> > > >
> > > > Wrong assumption as usual. I play Marauder and most of my utilities are stealth / stunbreak / escapes. Just play thief already holy kitten. Play thief and stop trying to pretend you know anything about the class when you **don't** play thief.
> > >
> > > So you have all the tools to escape death on thief while using a burst spec...a luxury other professions don't have and that will be all from me to you
> >
> > Since he isnt using shortbow, actually he has fewer tools to escape death than other burst specs do. They *do* have that luxury. Calling thief a burst spec right now is also pretty generous, Id call it a gnat. That being said, since Shortbow 5 is literally the only reason thief is any good, playing without it is just shooting yourself in the foot.
>
> Dash and Heartseeker also gives mobility .
> We didn't have in Vanilia , and we still where king of obility
Without sb5 thief still has superior disengage options in dash, shadowsteps and blinding fields combined with stealth, unless a reveal skikk is used of course.
The fact is high sustain classes shouldn't have the disengage potential thief has just as thief shouldn't be able to withstand the pressure or damage the higher sustain class can endure. Yes if a high sustain class gets outnumbered it can't run away like a thief and will more than likely die to the out numbered but it sure as hell will endure the outnumbered and the damage far better than a squishy thief would hense why thieves were given the disengage potential. Yeah if a thief is far more skilled than the other players it can use jukes,evades and blinds to live longer by avoiding dps but the same scenario occurs when a higher sustain class does the same with smart use of all its defensive skills,higher hp/armor etc. I get the idea that it's not far a thief can just disengage but think if it couldn't and kept its rogue like squishyness lol I'd be by far least played class in roster for a good reason
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> @"UNOwen.7132" said:
> > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > W> @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If they can't escape then they need enough sustain to wait for reinforcements , you are right saying that the wait aka time to kill cannot be too long for balance reasons obviously but that doesn't change the fact that sustain is necessary for some classes to counterbalance their inability to escape safely as a thief.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If a spec invested in sustain then it should survive for enough time, say...40s...if now it's 1m+ then we need to reduce the sustain of such specs to reasonable levels and lower the kill time to 40s from 1m+, I hope thieves are not asking to lower the kill time to 0s like insta kill the +1 player even if he has full CD
> > > > >
> > > > > Uh I dunno, **we** certainly get instakilled. Why only us?
> > > >
> > > > **You** certainly get insta killed because your build lacks any means of escape, otherwise there is no way to insta kill a thief right now unless you play a "kill or die" spec and thief is afk or with no CD left to spare, either way if you play a burst spec with a zerker/marauder at 0 toughness you can expect always to live far less than somebody who specced in defense with a toughness amulet
> > >
> > > Wrong assumption as usual. I play Marauder and most of my utilities are stealth / stunbreak / escapes. Just play thief already holy kitten. Play thief and stop trying to pretend you know anything about the class when you **don't** play thief.
> >
> > So you have all the tools to escape death on thief while using a burst spec...a luxury other professions don't have and that will be all from me to you
>
> Since he isnt using shortbow, actually he has fewer tools to escape death than other burst specs do. They *do* have that luxury. Calling thief a burst spec right now is also pretty generous, Id call it a gnat. That being said, since Shortbow 5 is literally the only reason thief is any good, playing without it is just shooting yourself in the foot.
Thief is still a burst spec by design as all of its damage is carried through skills based on a burst playstyle, it's just that currently with the current sustain levels its bursts damage numbers aren't significant enough to apply the pressure needed to do its job efficiently. U can see this as dps to low or sustain to high and I think that sustain being to high is the better outlook to have on the situation.
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Honestly the only thing I can think of that would help players placements being more closely tied to the players skill is award bonus points for most kills, full caps- little less for decaps, player revives, top healing etc that way u at least get rewarded if the match was a loss but u played well. As it stands a solo que players ratings is more dependent on ur teammates performance than ur own.
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> @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > W> @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If they can't escape then they need enough sustain to wait for reinforcements , you are right saying that the wait aka time to kill cannot be too long for balance reasons obviously but that doesn't change the fact that sustain is necessary for some classes to counterbalance their inability to escape safely as a thief.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If a spec invested in sustain then it should survive for enough time, say...40s...if now it's 1m+ then we need to reduce the sustain of such specs to reasonable levels and lower the kill time to 40s from 1m+, I hope thieves are not asking to lower the kill time to 0s like insta kill the +1 player even if he has full CD
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Uh I dunno, **we** certainly get instakilled. Why only us?
> > > > >
> > > > > **You** certainly get insta killed because your build lacks any means of escape, otherwise there is no way to insta kill a thief right now unless you play a "kill or die" spec and thief is afk or with no CD left to spare, either way if you play a burst spec with a zerker/marauder at 0 toughness you can expect always to live far less than somebody who specced in defense with a toughness amulet
> > > >
> > > > Wrong assumption as usual. I play Marauder and most of my utilities are stealth / stunbreak / escapes. Just play thief already holy kitten. Play thief and stop trying to pretend you know anything about the class when you **don't** play thief.
> > >
> > > So you have all the tools to escape death on thief while using a burst spec...a luxury other professions don't have and that will be all from me to you
> >
> > And as a higher sustain class u can last far longer in situations where a thief would disengage from so ur point?
> > Are u expecting tanks to disengage like thieves or thieves to not be able to disengage and be low sustain or u want thiefs to be high sustain and not need to disengage which isn't very rogue like.
>
> Other professions that don't invest in sustain and try to play like a thief instead, will live a far shorter time compared to a thief in the same role..that's all I am saying
Yes ur right and a thief trying to be a tank and trying to play like one wont last as long as a higher sustain class either so.
If u want to play like a thief u play a thief or something closer like mes or rev, if u want a tank or high in fight sustain class u dont chose thief.
The gw2 any class can do anything has its limits.
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> @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> > > > >
> > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > > >
> > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> > > > >
> > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > > >
> > > > If they can't escape then they need enough sustain to wait for reinforcements , you are right saying that the wait aka time to kill cannot be too long for balance reasons obviously but that doesn't change the fact that sustain is necessary for some classes to counterbalance their inability to escape safely as a thief.
> > > >
> > > > If a spec invested in sustain then it should survive for enough time, say...40s...if now it's 1m+ then we need to reduce the sustain of such specs to reasonable levels and lower the kill time to 40s from 1m+, I hope thieves are not asking to lower the kill time to 0s like insta kill the +1 player even if he has full CD
> > >
> > > No atleast not me but then again I'm more of a rev/war player now but when I was playing thief i never wanted sustain or sustained damage as a option cuz that goes against the class type and so does it 1v1 a sustain class quick and easily given its mobility it should be at a disadvantage in a 1v1 as far as actually dueling the more sustain type class. What I wanted is if I avoid most attacks on say a necro etc being as doesn't take many to down a thief I shouldn't have to hit the reaper 30+ times to down it due to its sustain. I understand a thief shouldn't be able to match blows and it should be a requirement that the thief connects more hits on its opponent to down it than it could receive but as of now the disparity is far to great. I can fight a necro 2 mins only get hit twice and all that time be connecting my skills on the necro while its sustain absorbs it for the 2 minutes until it finally gets worse down. Yeah that's the way it should go but the time to ware the necro or other classes down needs to be shorter. This then translates to the issue where a thief +1's for its teammates and still takes a while to down the opponent even tho ur 2v1 it due to the fact thief's dps bursts are out of line next to the current levels of sustain. I would hope and don't think these thief players are asking for a return of one shots
> >
> > So reducing the time to kill for thief would translate to an increase in "duelling" abilities am I right?
>
> I gues it would translate to reducing current over the top sustain abilities of others like guards, holos, necros and of course those @#$%@* rangers. Basically what Vallun said in his video. Thief is not that bad, the sustain and damage of others (mentioned) while having so much sustain is what is currently wrong.
This^ the best approach is to lower the sustain and dps of some of the outliers and this would bring all aspects thief is struggling with more in line then adjust things from there.
It's funny every one heard vallun state thief dps is fine but totally ignored his statements about the sustain and dps on certain outliers being to high.
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> @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > > > >
> > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> > > >
> > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > >
> > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > > > >
> > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> > > >
> > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > >
> > > If they can't escape then they need enough sustain to wait for reinforcements , you are right saying that the wait aka time to kill cannot be too long for balance reasons obviously but that doesn't change the fact that sustain is necessary for some classes to counterbalance their inability to escape safely as a thief.
> > >
> > > If a spec invested in sustain then it should survive for enough time, say...40s...if now it's 1m+ then we need to reduce the sustain of such specs to reasonable levels and lower the kill time to 40s from 1m+, I hope thieves are not asking to lower the kill time to 0s like insta kill the +1 player even if he has full CD
> >
> > No atleast not me but then again I'm more of a rev/war player now but when I was playing thief i never wanted sustain or sustained damage as a option cuz that goes against the class type and so does it 1v1 a sustain class quick and easily given its mobility it should be at a disadvantage in a 1v1 as far as actually dueling the more sustain type class. What I wanted is if I avoid most attacks on say a necro etc being as doesn't take many to down a thief I shouldn't have to hit the reaper 30+ times to down it due to its sustain. I understand a thief shouldn't be able to match blows and it should be a requirement that the thief connects more hits on its opponent to down it than it could receive but as of now the disparity is far to great. I can fight a necro 2 mins only get hit twice and all that time be connecting my skills on the necro while its sustain absorbs it for the 2 minutes until it finally gets worse down. Yeah that's the way it should go but the time to ware the necro or other classes down needs to be shorter. This then translates to the issue where a thief +1's for its teammates and still takes a while to down the opponent even tho ur 2v1 it due to the fact thief's dps bursts are out of line next to the current levels of sustain. I would hope and don't think these thief players are asking for a return of one shots
>
> So reducing the time to kill for thief would translate to an increase in "duelling" abilities am I right?
If time to kill for a thief was lower like as a example on average took a thief 15 hits to kill a necro vs the 4 hits needed to kill the thief thst would be far more balanced. Thieves would still have to badly outplay the opponent to win a duel and would still be at a disadvantage in a duel with player of equal skill. Yeah still take the thief a bit to win a 1v1 rightfully so but in a +1 would down the opponent with its teamates far quicker as it should be especially since u turned it into a 2v1.
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> @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > W> @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > > > >
> > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
> > > > >
> > > > > If they can't escape then they need enough sustain to wait for reinforcements , you are right saying that the wait aka time to kill cannot be too long for balance reasons obviously but that doesn't change the fact that sustain is necessary for some classes to counterbalance their inability to escape safely as a thief.
> > > > >
> > > > > If a spec invested in sustain then it should survive for enough time, say...40s...if now it's 1m+ then we need to reduce the sustain of such specs to reasonable levels and lower the kill time to 40s from 1m+, I hope thieves are not asking to lower the kill time to 0s like insta kill the +1 player even if he has full CD
> > > >
> > > > Uh I dunno, **we** certainly get instakilled. Why only us?
> > >
> > > **You** certainly get insta killed because your build lacks any means of escape, otherwise there is no way to insta kill a thief right now unless you play a "kill or die" spec and thief is afk or with no CD left to spare, either way if you play a burst spec with a zerker/marauder at 0 toughness you can expect always to live far less than somebody who specced in defense with a toughness amulet
> >
> > Wrong assumption as usual. I play Marauder and most of my utilities are stealth / stunbreak / escapes. Just play thief already holy kitten. Play thief and stop trying to pretend you know anything about the class when you **don't** play thief.
>
> So you have all the tools to escape death on thief while using a burst spec...a luxury other professions don't have and that will be all from me to you
And as a higher sustain class u can last far longer in situations where a thief would disengage from so ur point?
Are u expecting tanks to disengage like thieves or thieves to not be able to disengage and be low sustain or u want thiefs to be high sustain and not need to disengage which isn't very rogue like.
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Thieves mobility and disengages definitely are night and day compared to most classes when getting out of outnumbered or dangerous situations but when playing a more sustain type class without those advantages I think more about positioning as far as trying not to get into those situations and often with good use of defensive skills I can stall of last 5x longer in the situation than thief could if it couldn't disengage which is why it can and why those sustain classes can last longer than thief could stick in the situation, except some outliers can last in a 1v3 for over a min due to their sustain being in a overperforming state.
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> @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > >
> > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > >
> > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> >
> > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
>
> > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just l2p!
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> > > >
> > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
> > >
> > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
> >
> > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
> > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
> > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
> > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
>
> If they can't escape then they need enough sustain to wait for reinforcements , you are right saying that the wait aka time to kill cannot be too long for balance reasons obviously but that doesn't change the fact that sustain is necessary for some classes to counterbalance their inability to escape safely as a thief.
>
> If a spec invested in sustain then it should survive for enough time, say...40s...if now it's 1m+ then we need to reduce the sustain of such specs to reasonable levels and lower the kill time to 40s from 1m+, I hope thieves are not asking to lower the kill time to 0s like insta kill the +1 player even if he has full CD
No atleast not me but then again I'm more of a rev/war player now but when I was playing thief i never wanted sustain or sustained damage as a option cuz that goes against the class type and so does it 1v1 a sustain class quick and easily given its mobility it should be at a disadvantage in a 1v1 as far as actually dueling the more sustain type class. What I wanted is if I avoid most attacks on say a necro etc being as doesn't take many to down a thief I shouldn't have to hit the reaper 30+ times to down it due to its sustain. I understand a thief shouldn't be able to match blows and it should be a requirement that the thief connects more hits on its opponent to down it than it could receive but as of now the disparity is far to great. I can fight a necro 2 mins only get hit twice and all that time be connecting my skills on the necro while its sustain absorbs it for the 2 minutes until it finally gets worse down. Yeah that's the way it should go but the time to ware the necro or other classes down needs to be shorter. This then translates to the issue where a thief +1's for its teammates and still takes a while to down the opponent even tho ur 2v1 it due to the fact thief's dps bursts are out of line next to the current levels of sustain. I would hope and don't think these thief players are asking for a return of one shots
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> @"GeneralFailure.3402" said:
> > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > @"Supreme.3164" said:
> > > > @"AldKai.9712" said:
> > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue.
> > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22
> > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds.
> > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc
> > > >
> > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions.
> > > >
> > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build.
> > > >
> > > > Just l2p!
> > >
> > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close
> > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background
> > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style
> >
> > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do.
>
> He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves).
Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol.
This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential.
I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing.
Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently.
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> @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:
> > Community "thieves are mostly sheep to sindrener builds etc".
> > Community see's one vid of one streamer who feels their fine when theirs two other known streamers in vids, one is the top thief player saying otherwise and the community roles with the one streamer that fits their agenda like his opinion is the only one that somehow matters lol.
> > Yeah thief are the sheeps.
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> when you start you use what others deemed working, you learn to play it, after time you understand why its working and how its working,
> after you do that you start testing other things and theorycrafting other things. most people stop at copying builds from others, its fine. but there are some that just theory craft with no skill and no understanding of what and why, and you end up with what @"AldKai.9712" is doing.
> He died due to his mistakes, refused to learn WHY that happened, he didnt even learn how his enemies attacked him, refused to adopt his build and his stance against the enemies, and its all fine. Problem is he went to the forum with it, started whining and insulting others.
> Thiefs are indeed sheep, they copy what others streamers do, I suspect it might have something to do with the amount of people streaming thief gameplay.
> sind showed S/P insta every thief played it, D/P now everyone plays DP, it is how it is.
Ur not wrong at all but the community as a whole is no different. The read or heard all the complaints of the outliers since patch and bam now high amounts of specs u never saw previously like core necro,burn guards, core rangers, weavers, holo etc.people hear or read what's op and flock to it, that's sheep like as well no?
Regarding players that play thief like me who's played it half decade it doesn't really matter if a streamer or anyone says a set build works best if I don't like it or some traits I don't use them. When I played thief I never used rending shade as I disliked the fear for my playstyle and always used shadow rejuvenation even tho was regarded the worse trait, I like it.
When I played dp which is mostly what I played I used CS and hidden killer with valkyrie rune, not meta at all nor a build any streamer was using. I never played s/d much cuz even if effective it sucks the fun out of playing thief. D4 and d5 whooo real fun skills to use lol the playstyle like most thief builds was spam s2 and s3... real fun.
Anyway like a lot of other classes if u go thru thiefs traits ull see that usually every trait line has three traits used by all or most thieves cuz the rest are garbage so yeah uve got option to go s/d or pd etc but actual build deversity is low. Sindrener uses builds that are pretty obvious and commonly used that are just recognized when he does a vid stating he uses it himself. Sure some newer thiefs may copy his builds thst arnt familiar with the classes traits but as to the majority of thief players he isn't discovering any new secret builds really that haven't already been in use.
Thieves players in general are no different tho then the players of other classes, the see or hear a build is the most OP on their class so they play it, just like all the core necros etc lol.
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If the team see's sustain as a issue and significantly nerfs it thief's dps will be fine, yeah its weird high sustain tanks burst as much as the burst class still but atleast thief's burst will be relevant again. If u buff thief's damage plus lower the sustain lvs of classes than thief's damage will be printed for damage nerfs again. It's best to leave thief's damage if sustains brought down than evaluate from there.
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Community "thieves are mostly sheep to sindrener builds etc".
Community see's one vid of one streamer who feels their fine when theirs two other known streamers in vids, one is the top thief player saying otherwise and the community roles with the one streamer that fits their agenda like his opinion is the only one that somehow matters lol.
Yeah thief are the sheeps.
Official; Finally rev gets it Greatsword!
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Honestly what I find rev lacks is a mele weapon that feels like a true melee weapon. A greatsword with stylistic martial sword strikes that all need to be in melee range to hit would drastically change the feel of rev. Look at every "melee" weapon rev has the all are more of a ranged magic attack than a actual strait up melee except for a few skills here and there. Even revs skill animations that look like they'd be strait up attacks end up ending with some ranged even if short ranged magic attack.
Look at half of the duel sword,staff,mace, axe etc etc.