Black lion chest loot

[Eddbopkins.2630]

I spent real world money just to get a couple ofdyes worth 16 copper or less. I feel i got robbed and beaten. This game is so ruined for me. I got 6 upgrade extractora now, i dont even need 1. This game is so ruined for me.

 

Edit: i got the spectral mace twice in two separate chests. Out of 16 possible weapons i get the same useless weapon twice. I really feel like anet stole from me.

Out of 25 chests i only got 2 uncommon items and they were 2x spectral maces. Worst time i ever spent in gw2 ever.

[Cynder.2509]

This is how RNG or gamble in general works. Spend money and try your luck.

I stopped buying keys years ago because this isn't worth it anymore.

[Batel.9206]

The entire game is ruined because RNG is RNG? It's called *random* for a reason. Sorry you didn't get what you wanted, but that's how it works.

 

Edit: As for the mace, it may be a useless skin to you - but you can sell it on the TP. For both of those skins, you'll net roughly 22 gold.

[Atomos.7593]

You didn't get robbed. You took a gamble where the odds of getting an item that is useful to you may be very low, and paid the price.

[Tukaram.8256]

Unfortunate, but that is why I would not spend real money for random pixels. I may buy a particular item, but not a chance at an item. I have a bunch of chests in my bank, waiting for the rare times I find a key. And every chest I have opened has been junk.

[Eddbopkins.2630]

The flaming backk cape andthe the wings are truly cool to have. But i guess i will juat never get it. 35 chests and not a single thing worth while. I really feel like anet stole from me. If i got something 50g+ id feel ok....but all i got are statues extractors and dye kits. I have never been more diss apointed and saddened after playing a game in my life.

[mindcircus.1506]

> Out of **25 chests** i only got 2 uncommon items and they were 2x spectral maces. Worst time i ever spent in gw2 ever.

So let me get this straight....

You spent 25 keys and felt "robbed", "beaten" and "stole from"....

so your solution was.....

>**35 chests** and not a single thing worth while.

To go back and spend ten more keys?

 

ggwp.

[jokke.6239]

> @"mindcircus.1506" said:

> > Out of **25 chests** i only got 2 uncommon items and they were 2x spectral maces. Worst time i ever spent in gw2 ever.

> So let me get this straight....

> You spent 25 keys and felt "robbed", "beaten" and "stole from"....

> so your solution was.....

> >**35 chests** and not a single thing worth while.

> To go back and spend ten more keys?

>

> ggwp.

 

Lol, it's called "Tilt"

And is the reason why people go bankrupt at casinos

"Just one more bet and I'll break even and earn back what I've lost"

[Solvar.7953]

The quality of black lion chests has really gone downhill IMO. I'll probably never buy another one (I only bought them simply because I felt I should give Anet some money now and again).

I'm not expecting top notch skins on each chest. But when you open half a dozen chests, and all you get is something you could have bought from the trading post for 10 gold, it sort of misses the mark. Putting trophies in that are only worth a few gold seems pointless - if I just want gold, I'll just sell the gems for money.

While it is an RNG gamble, it seems like the chance of getting anything even mildly valuable is really low now. Maybe the thought from Anet was "wel'll make it hard to get anything useful out of the chests, so people will buy more keys trying to get those items, so we'll make more money". Which I guess works, until the users figure it out and stop buying chests.

 

[ollbirtan.2915]

Dunno. I bought 25 keys and got the wings backpack pack and the ugly cape around chest #12. Also got 2 precursors albeit for underwater weapons from the special chests. Sold those on TP. -Shrug=

Range is range. Deal with it or don't gamble.

[Eddbopkins.2630]

The ting is i know people whos gotten what they wanted after there 6th or 7th chest and few with there 15 and 17th chest. Iv done way more and gotten the same spectral mace twice. Thats just so saddening.

[Friday.7864]

I didn't get a single uncommon item out of 25 keys.

That was the last time I spent money on keys or anything RNG related.

[Danikat.8537]

It is random. That means there will often be people who got lucky and got the item/s they wanted relatively quickly, but there will always be people who had the opposite experience and took large numbers of attempts to get the items they wanted or gave up before getting them. There is absolutely no guarantee you will be in the first group and not the second, so like all gambling you should not do it unless you're willing to risk that you will come away with nothing that you want feeling like you lost your money.

 

If that doesn't sound appealing to you then the solution is to not buy black lion keys (or dye packs, which are the same thing with a more specialised drop table).

[Solanum.6983]

Expecting profit from gambling isn't the best Idea.

Black Lion Chests are Loot boxes, Their designed to give out less than you spend. You might get lucky from time to time but Just like with any gambling the house always wins.

[Galmac.4680]

I would never ever buy lion chest keys. I farm one per week with a new char, but real money for that?? No. Even if they're reduced.

[kharmin.7683]

I have never gotten anything worthwhile from a BLC. I only open them when I get a free key. Maybe that's by design? haha

[Taril.8619]

Working as intended.

 

It's gambling in a nutshell, it's always rigged so that the house always wins.

 

Some people get lucky and get quick payouts, which promotes people to engage with the gambling either because 1) They got something fast so they might get another thing quickly too or 2) Someone else got something quickly so they should too.

 

While the reality is that payouts occur less often than you'd hope for, with the intent being to sucker people out of more money than would have been made had they stuck a fixed price on rare items and made them direct purchase.

 

So yeah, fancy skin that would normally cost 2000 gems to purchase direct? Better expect it to cost 3000+ gems worth of keys to get it from a lootbox.

[Lottie.5370]

Some people just don't understand gambling/RNG it seems.

 

If you really want those items just wait a few months for them to be tradeable for statuettes. You'll still have to open keys to get those, but considering it'll be months until they're available then weekly story and mapping should get you enough of them.

 

You are NEVER guaranteed to get what you want from a chest and you should always see it as a gamble. If you would feel this way about not getting what you want, you really shouldn't do it in the first place.

[Offair.2563]

It's like real life casino's; At the end the house always wins.

 

[Hashberry.4510]

And a few weeks of all the winners looking like pigeons should convince you to save your statues.

[Solvar.7953]

At least in a casino (presuming it isn't rigged), you know what your chances are if you put money at #12 at the roullette wheel (or have a pretty good idea). The chances in BLTC are completely opaque - through lots of people opening chests, probabilities for some have been figured out, but Anet can also change those chances and until enough chests are opened with the new probabilities, one doesn't know the odds.

And are chances of objects within the same category (uncommon, rare) also equal? Or do some uncommon items come up more often than others?

I suspect Anet is intentional it not showing the probabilities (though some countries have passed laws saying this must be done), because if people could see the chances, probably no one would buy a key.

So rather than states/countries outlawing these as gambling, I'd rather it being required that the odds be fully disclosed. At least then, people can make informed decisions.

 

[Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582]

> @"Taril.8619" said:

> Working as intended.

>

> It's gambling in a nutshell, it's always rigged so that the house always wins.

 

> @"Offair.2563" said:

> It's like real life casino's; At the end the house always wins.

 

Here's the thing though, they are not paying out _anything_. Nothing, at all. It's 1's and 0's on a hard drive somewhere. It's meaningless. It costs them absolutely zero after they paid the ppl who coded it. It's not like there's some person out the back making these things from materials grown or mined IRL.

 

The house has already won as soon as you click confirm on the credit card screen. It doesn't reduce their profits if they give you something you actually want.

 

I have made this suggestion many times but I'm going to make it again.

 

Remove ALL the common items from the BL Chest and give a significantly increased number of Statuettes, then make _all_ BL Chest items available for purchase with Statuettes from the BL Merchant.

 

[Taril.8619]

> @"Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582" said:

> It doesn't reduce their profits if they give you something you actually want.

 

Actually, it does. Since you stop buying the scamboxes once you have what you want.

 

Which means in the scenario where they give a payout, in order to keep you buying scamboxes, they need to produce more items that you want to put in them which costs money paying the artists that develop the items.

 

Meanwhile, their ideal scenario is to never pay out so you just keep giving them money over and over for nothing, of course this won't work because people will get salty with no payouts and stop feeding into the scam, hence why they give just enough payouts to keep people hooked on paying for them.

[Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582]

> @"Taril.8619" said:

> > @"Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582" said:

> > It doesn't reduce their profits if they give you something you actually want.

>

> Actually, it does. Since you stop buying the scamboxes once you have what you want.

>

> Which means in the scenario where they give a payout, in order to keep you buying scamboxes, they need to produce more items that you want to put in them which costs money paying the artists that develop the items.

>

> Meanwhile, their ideal scenario is to never pay out so you just keep giving them money over and over for nothing, of course this won't work because people will get salty with no payouts and stop feeding into the scam, hence why they give just enough payouts to keep people hooked on paying for them.

 

But they'll always add other items that people will want.

 

And as you said, it won't work because people get no value from them. It only works on people who are literal gambling addicts or who have FOMO or something.

 

What I am proposing is a way to _eventually_ get what you want with a fixed cost over time. If you want the Bank contract, you gotta open 200 chests etc. Anything else you get from the chests is then pure bonus.

[sitarskee.5738]

I actually feel like I used to be way luckier 2-3 years ago than I am now BLC wise. But on the other hand I am luckier IRL now, so idk.

 

The thing is, if you don't know how gambling works, you should not gamble.