Arheundel.6451 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 It's not hard to obtain a warclaw in wvw even if you've never played wvw before, you can come in and get your mount in a couple of days max , I see no reason why the mount supposed to be useless **(especially after I paid RL cash for the skins)** in a pve setting, now that the mount is getting "rebalanced" in wvw...make sure we get something back in PvE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashberry.4510 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 The whole point is so they can tweak it in WVW without needing to focus at all on PVE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 its A WvW Mount. It’s why it is completely low tier compared to ANY Mount in PvE. Use it in WvW. All the bells and whistles are there. Where they should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucianDK.8615 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Anet should not have let it be useable in PvE, leading many to not really understand that its a pure wvw mount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knighthonor.4061 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 > @"LucianDK.8615" said: > Anet should not have let it be useable in PvE, leading many to not really understand that its a pure wvw mount. I disagree. Most of us know this which is why its not used in PvE. But would be nice to have in PvE as well and be useful because some skins look nice. My Issue is that many of the skins look just like the base model with different colors, which I can already do with the dye feature... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ipomoea Jalapa.6897 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 I wish they would separate the default selected mount between PvE and WvW, like they do for build templates now. It's annoying to have to change from Warclaw back to Griffon every time I leave WvW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elden Arnaas.4870 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 What they should have done was just put in a raptor mount with different mastery abilities for WvW. And made it available to those who have earned a raptor through PoF story, or in WvW. I think that this would have avoided many issues. But almost certainly there was also a desire on Anet's part to have PvE players exposed to WvW, in order to try and get new blood for WvW. So it needed to be a unique mount to fulfill that purpose. I went in, ground out what I needed to get the mount, and haven't been back since. I wonder how typical that was, or if it actually did get some new blood into WvW? All that said, it's usable in PvE, I think it ought to be *useful* in PvE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentMoore.9453 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Honestly, all mounts should be looked at periodically to see if they're still performing in a way that's fun and/or balanced for whatever mode they're active in. Warclaw's primary purpose is to pull down gates in WvW, but that doesn't mean it needs to push its face along the ground at 2 MPH in PvE either. Asking them to glance at PvE Warclaw while they're already elbows-deep in WvW Warclaw seems like a sensible request. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanner Blackfeather.6509 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 > @"Ipomoea Jalapa.6897" said: > I wish they would separate the default selected mount between PvE and WvW, like they do for build templates now. It's annoying to have to change from Warclaw back to Griffon every time I leave WvW. That's a bug. My default selection (for PvE) only switches to Warclaw very occasionally - definitely no more than 10% of the time I go to WvW. Usually it stays on the Skyscale (or whatever mount that character uses as default). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hevoskuuri.3891 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Even though the Warclaw is a WvW mount, I don't see why it has to be completely useless in PvE. I think it wouldn't hurt to bring it more on par with the Raptor or the Jackal, as some people probably prefer it's aesthetics over the two. It doesn't have to be equal to or better than any other 'PvE mount', but it doesn't have to be handicapped to uselessness either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucianDK.8615 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 The warclaw and its skills are meant for wvw only. It has no purpose in pve for that exact reason. Plus that you need to grind out its skills a lot slower than people can achieve pve mount masteries. And considering its unlocked through WvW, youd already have to be interested in that mode. And think about this: Anet does not want to have mounts that directly obsoletes each other. The raptor and the jackal have unique differences. Theres no reason or place for a third mount infringing on their place. As I see it, the main use for a Warclaw for a PvEer is to help grinding gifts of battle. Which is fine enough for me. We have enough pve mounts already. So no, this will never happen, nor should it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Safandula.8723 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 I would only like to see that, after coming from wvw to pve, warclaw is not a default mount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoGhosts.6790 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Also, while you're at it, for the love of God, please fix the Warclaw replacing default PvE mount selection. It's been months now. How hard can it fkn be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teratus.2859 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 > @"LucianDK.8615" said: > Anet should not have let it be useable in PvE, leading many to not really understand that its a pure wvw mount. Strongly disagree, if it were not usable in PvE Anet wouldn't have mady anywhere near the kind of money they did from Warclaw skins.. not to mention more recent packs include the Warclaw in them so if you unlocked a RNG warclaw skin players would be justifyably annoyed that they wasted money because they didn't have the mount nor want it because it's only usable in WvW and they don't like the gamemode. Warclaw is primarily a WvW mount, everyone knows that.. but it is also serves a role as a default core world mount for players who do not want to rush ahead to PoF to unlock the Raptor. The only restriction on it being that you need PoF to unlock the Warclaw which is something I strongly do not agree with, it should be made available to everyone without needing an expansion. This would not only encourage people to come to WvW to get the mount but it will also encourage them to buy the expansions/PoF at least to unlock the better ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaralyna.3104 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 > @"Teratus.2859" said: > > @"LucianDK.8615" said: > > Anet should not have let it be useable in PvE, leading many to not really understand that its a pure wvw mount. > > Strongly disagree, if it were not usable in PvE Anet wouldn't have mady anywhere near the kind of money they did from Warclaw skins.. not to mention more recent packs include the Warclaw in them so if you unlocked a RNG warclaw skin players would be justifyably annoyed that they wasted money because they didn't have the mount nor want it because it's only usable in WvW and they don't like the gamemode. > > Warclaw is primarily a WvW mount, everyone knows that.. but it is also serves a role as a default core world mount for players who do not want to rush ahead to PoF to unlock the Raptor. > The only restriction on it being that you need PoF to unlock the Warclaw which is something I strongly do not agree with, it should be made available to everyone without needing an expansion. > This would not only encourage people to come to WvW to get the mount but it will also encourage them to buy the expansions/PoF at least to unlock the better ones. THIS!!! Makes f2p players also more of a use in wvw at the same time since atm those fall behind as they can't keep up. Or give them a rental version that works only in wvw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teratus.2859 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 > @"Aaralyna.3104" said: > > @"Teratus.2859" said: > > > @"LucianDK.8615" said: > > > Anet should not have let it be useable in PvE, leading many to not really understand that its a pure wvw mount. > > > > Strongly disagree, if it were not usable in PvE Anet wouldn't have mady anywhere near the kind of money they did from Warclaw skins.. not to mention more recent packs include the Warclaw in them so if you unlocked a RNG warclaw skin players would be justifyably annoyed that they wasted money because they didn't have the mount nor want it because it's only usable in WvW and they don't like the gamemode. > > > > Warclaw is primarily a WvW mount, everyone knows that.. but it is also serves a role as a default core world mount for players who do not want to rush ahead to PoF to unlock the Raptor. > > The only restriction on it being that you need PoF to unlock the Warclaw which is something I strongly do not agree with, it should be made available to everyone without needing an expansion. > > This would not only encourage people to come to WvW to get the mount but it will also encourage them to buy the expansions/PoF at least to unlock the better ones. > > THIS!!! Makes f2p players also more of a use in wvw at the same time since atm those fall behind as they can't keep up. Or give them a rental version that works only in wvw. Also will help them keep up in PvE event chains, metas etc as you'll not be left totally in the dust by players on raptors etc.. Again another encouragement for people to buy PoF without totally cutting them out of a group/squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucianDK.8615 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 If you want mounts, you need to buy the expansion. Besides, do you realize how long the Warclaw will take to unlock in wvw? Doubly so if you are new to the game and the warclaw unlock rush is long over. What you are trying to push here is completely out on left field. A pver is far better served by using their time to gain the -correct- pve mounts instead of the warclaw. The pof mounts will be earned a LOT faster. Dont push the warclaw as something to aim for to a pver, when its not meant to be a pve mount. Especially with it being obtainable in wvw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 > @"Tanner Blackfeather.6509" said: > > @"Ipomoea Jalapa.6897" said: > > I wish they would separate the default selected mount between PvE and WvW, like they do for build templates now. It's annoying to have to change from Warclaw back to Griffon every time I leave WvW. > > That's a bug. My default selection (for PvE) only switches to Warclaw very occasionally - definitely no more than 10% of the time I go to WvW. Usually it stays on the Skyscale (or whatever mount that character uses as default). Pretty certain that the bug is that the game sometimes keep your PvE selection, not the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanner Blackfeather.6509 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 > @"Dawdler.8521" said: > > @"Tanner Blackfeather.6509" said: > > > @"Ipomoea Jalapa.6897" said: > > > I wish they would separate the default selected mount between PvE and WvW, like they do for build templates now. It's annoying to have to change from Warclaw back to Griffon every time I leave WvW. > > > > That's a bug. My default selection (for PvE) only switches to Warclaw very occasionally - definitely no more than 10% of the time I go to WvW. Usually it stays on the Skyscale (or whatever mount that character uses as default). > Pretty certain that the bug is that the game sometimes keep your PvE selection, not the other way around. > How do you mean "keep your PvE selection"? I've never had a non-Warclaw icon on the mount selector in WvW... When entering WvW, only the Warclaw is available so the default mount (by default I mean "shown in the selector to right of the skillbar") switches to that. When leaving WvW, *most* of the time the default mount switches back to whatever I had as default before entering WvW. Sometimes however the Warclaw stays as default mount when returning to PvE. I haven't actually kept track, but I very roughly estimate that to be around 10% of the time. It seems from forum posts that for some players this happens much more often, up to practically every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Disgrace.4275 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Greedy pve player wants more goodies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltekka.2375 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 > @"Teratus.2859" said: > > @"LucianDK.8615" said: > > Anet should not have let it be useable in PvE, leading many to not really understand that its a pure wvw mount. > > Strongly disagree, if it were not usable in PvE Anet wouldn't have mady anywhere near the kind of money they did from Warclaw skins.. not to mention more recent packs include the Warclaw in them so if you unlocked a RNG warclaw skin players would be justifyably annoyed that they wasted money because they didn't have the mount nor want it because it's only usable in WvW and they don't like the gamemode. > > Warclaw is primarily a WvW mount, everyone knows that.. but it is also serves a role as a default core world mount for players who do not want to rush ahead to PoF to unlock the Raptor. > The only restriction on it being that you need PoF to unlock the Warclaw which is something I strongly do not agree with, it should be made available to everyone without needing an expansion. > This would not only encourage people to come to WvW to get the mount but it will also encourage them to buy the expansions/PoF at least to unlock the better ones. Mounts are a PoF thing. That shouldnt change. Moreover, it is MUCH easier to unlock the raptor for a new player than warclaw, you should know that. Warclaw needs a whole reward track (pretty sure 8 hours for a new player in wvw will be absolute hell), plus a keep capture (which on many days is impossible, depending on matchup). Anet made a wvw-only useful mount (which wvwers didnt even ask for) . Pve has raptor, jackal, skimmer, bunny, Skyscale, Griffon, Beetle. Which place will a pve-updated warclaw fill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teratus.2859 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 > @"Voltekka.2375" said: > > @"Teratus.2859" said: > > > @"LucianDK.8615" said: > > > Anet should not have let it be useable in PvE, leading many to not really understand that its a pure wvw mount. > > > > Strongly disagree, if it were not usable in PvE Anet wouldn't have mady anywhere near the kind of money they did from Warclaw skins.. not to mention more recent packs include the Warclaw in them so if you unlocked a RNG warclaw skin players would be justifyably annoyed that they wasted money because they didn't have the mount nor want it because it's only usable in WvW and they don't like the gamemode. > > > > Warclaw is primarily a WvW mount, everyone knows that.. but it is also serves a role as a default core world mount for players who do not want to rush ahead to PoF to unlock the Raptor. > > The only restriction on it being that you need PoF to unlock the Warclaw which is something I strongly do not agree with, it should be made available to everyone without needing an expansion. > > This would not only encourage people to come to WvW to get the mount but it will also encourage them to buy the expansions/PoF at least to unlock the better ones. > > Mounts are a PoF thing. That shouldnt change. > Moreover, it is MUCH easier to unlock the raptor for a new player than warclaw, you should know that. Warclaw needs a whole reward track (pretty sure 8 hours for a new player in wvw will be absolute hell), plus a keep capture (which on many days is impossible, depending on matchup). Anet made a wvw-only useful mount (which wvwers didnt even ask for) . Pve has raptor, jackal, skimmer, bunny, Skyscale, Griffon, Beetle. Which place will a pve-updated warclaw fill? Yes but you need the expansion and have to skip ahead to unlock the raptor and not everyone is ok with doing that. If Warclaw were available to all as it should be since WvW is core game content it would function as a base mount and fix mobility problems in both WvW and PvE that often result in people without PoF being left out and unable to keep up with other players because they have no mounts. Warclaw won't remedy that entirely but it will help a lot and give players much more incentive to pick up PoF, it'll also function as a big non-expansion end game reward to persue that they can obtain and use on all new characters going forward to.. a big enticement for people to try/play WvW which currently they do not have. There's simply no reason not to do this imo and many good reasons to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltekka.2375 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 > @"Teratus.2859" said: > > @"Voltekka.2375" said: > > > @"Teratus.2859" said: > > > > @"LucianDK.8615" said: > > > > Anet should not have let it be useable in PvE, leading many to not really understand that its a pure wvw mount. > > > > > > Strongly disagree, if it were not usable in PvE Anet wouldn't have mady anywhere near the kind of money they did from Warclaw skins.. not to mention more recent packs include the Warclaw in them so if you unlocked a RNG warclaw skin players would be justifyably annoyed that they wasted money because they didn't have the mount nor want it because it's only usable in WvW and they don't like the gamemode. > > > > > > Warclaw is primarily a WvW mount, everyone knows that.. but it is also serves a role as a default core world mount for players who do not want to rush ahead to PoF to unlock the Raptor. > > > The only restriction on it being that you need PoF to unlock the Warclaw which is something I strongly do not agree with, it should be made available to everyone without needing an expansion. > > > This would not only encourage people to come to WvW to get the mount but it will also encourage them to buy the expansions/PoF at least to unlock the better ones. > > > > Mounts are a PoF thing. That shouldnt change. > > Moreover, it is MUCH easier to unlock the raptor for a new player than warclaw, you should know that. Warclaw needs a whole reward track (pretty sure 8 hours for a new player in wvw will be absolute hell), plus a keep capture (which on many days is impossible, depending on matchup). Anet made a wvw-only useful mount (which wvwers didnt even ask for) . Pve has raptor, jackal, skimmer, bunny, Skyscale, Griffon, Beetle. Which place will a pve-updated warclaw fill? > > Yes but you need the expansion and have to skip ahead to unlock the raptor and not everyone is ok with doing that. > If Warclaw were available to all as it should be since WvW is core game content it would function as a base mount and fix mobility problems in both WvW and PvE that often result in people without PoF being left out and unable to keep up with other players because they have no mounts. > Warclaw won't remedy that entirely but it will help a lot and give players much more incentive to pick up PoF, it'll also function as a big non-expansion end game reward to persue that they can obtain and use on all new characters going forward to.. a big enticement for people to try/play WvW which currently they do not have. > > There's simply no reason not to do this imo and many good reasons to do it. If people cant be bothered to "skip ahead" and do minutes' worth of pve to get raptor, I am pretty confident they will have a LOT more trouble in a competitive mode, where gankers wait to oneshot those poor new players. No, warclaw shouldnt be free to get. It is primarily a wvw mount, mounts are a PoF exclusive thing. Wvw being a core mode has nothing to do with it. People should buy PoF if they want mounts, in the way they should buy HoT and/or PoF for their unique specs. Theyre cheap enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arheundel.6451 Posted December 22, 2019 Author Share Posted December 22, 2019 For the love of god...can one mod please please please close this thread?...jesus...I regret opening this thread, always ready with their pitchforks these pvers.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTGuevara.9018 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 > @"LucianDK.8615" said: > Anet should not have let it be useable in PvE, leading many to not really understand that its a pure wvw mount. In all honesty, I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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