Luclinraider.2317 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 The downed state is the #1 reason this games PvP has never been able to compete with that of WoW Arena. We even see a huge influx of player come back whenever they remove the downed state for the weekend...due to so many people staying away because of it. However, time and time again Anet fails to admit they were wrong and the downed system makes for noncompetitive and unskilled PvP. No one would even blame them for trying something new....new stuff is great. But you have to be able to admit when you were wrong, and fix your mistakes. Instead we will get yet another "BIG" tournament in GW2 with like 20 teams per region.....some worlds you guys got there. The game has such fun PvP, combat, classes...etc. (Ya the balance comes and goes). But its just such a great game that never gave PvP a chance due to their own inability to admit they were wrong with the downed state and get rid of it. The primary defense for the downed state was to help control burst classes...but they just nerfed all forms of damage into the ground. If there was any time to remove downed state...it would be now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowpass.4236 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 I don't like downstate in PvP. Second chance at most is fine but this gives a third, fourth, fifth, etc. etc. Rallying should be max 1 for 1 or even better, not exist at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exedore.6320 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 WoW arena has been in a steady decline since WotLK... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luclinraider.2317 Posted March 28, 2020 Author Share Posted March 28, 2020 So WoW Arena has been in decline for 10 years...but is still the most competitive PvP MMO out there. GW2 never has a competitive scene...ever. Primarily because of the Downed System. How is that OK with Anet? It's just crazy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exedore.6320 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 > @"Luclinraider.2317" said: > So WoW Arena has been in decline for 10 years...but is still the most competitive PvP MMO out there. "Most competitive" is totally ambiguous. If you mean in terms of players/viewers, that's to be expected since WoW is the biggest MMORPG out there. I'm pretty sure WoW arena took a back seat to competitive PvE this year at BlizzCon. That goes to show you that even in the WoW community, arena isn't very popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brimstone Jack.3462 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Finish them or move away from them. It's not that difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcaniaxs.4519 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 > @"Brimstone Jack.3462" said: > Finish them or move away from them. It's not that difficult. You seem to be a necro. No offence but dont talk about downstate plz Downstate of classes like necro and ranger is just alot stronger than other ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostof Luzifer.6159 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 > @"Arcaniaxs.4519" said: > > @"Brimstone Jack.3462" said: > > Finish them or move away from them. It's not that difficult. > > You seem to be a necro. No offence but dont talk about downstate plz > Downstate of classes like necro and ranger is just alot stronger than other ones Downstate makey the game more complex. It iss more skillfull. The rez mechanics right now are somewhat overpowered but to say gw2 esports died because of the downstate is silly. Gw2 esports died rather because pvp wasnt finished when gw2 launched anet didnt fucus on the game and only threw money at players for a couple of months, while balance after hot was shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimjack.8130 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 PUGs who hate the downstate because they're all really bad at it never fail to amuse me :) But its so easy right? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadCrowned.6834 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Downstate is not related to the success of this tournament man. Cut the negativity crap. This tournament is a good initiative and its gonna be great for both the players and the viewers. If downstate is a good mechanic or not is a completely different discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Boyer.6524 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 I actually like the downstate mechanic. Also, removing it would throw the balance so out of whack it would take an enormous overhaul to fix. As much can be observed from no downstate WvW weekends. A lot of the class balance revolves around what they can do to stop stomps/revives or to secure them. ^ A good example of this is how with downstate, a high powered glass cannon ranged can down someone, but can't so easily get into the fray of a 4v4 to finish the job. However with no downstate, high powered glass cannon ranged with high mobility becomes severely over powered when the burst is instantly lethal with no requirement to get into the fray. If you thought you hated 1500+ ranged before, boy you've got another thing coming to you asking for no downstate pvp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blocki.4931 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Stomping exists and so do a couple finishing attacks. Usually classes only have 1 CC in downstate, so if somebody tries to ress use a CC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lare.5129 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 don't see big reason to hype - remove downstate event is short event. Want want participate - can do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tharan.9085 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 > @"Luclinraider.2317" said: > So WoW Arena has been in decline for 10 years...but is still the most competitive PvP MMO out there. > > GW2 never has a competitive scene...ever. Primarily because of the Downed System. How is that OK with Anet? It's just crazy... Well, to bad it had a competitive scene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brimstone Jack.3462 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 > @"Arcaniaxs.4519" said: > > @"Brimstone Jack.3462" said: > > Finish them or move away from them. It's not that difficult. > > You seem to be a necro. No offence but dont talk about downstate plz > Downstate of classes like necro and ranger is just alot stronger than other ones You do know people play multiple profs, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancho.8750 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Well now the downstate is kinda bad cause you can't cleave people down anymore, and there isn't much danger in ressing people if you are kinda tanky, stomping is out since all the cc in the world is on the menu and you can't stomp people faster then the res. So a fucking slog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xWiroo.3841 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 downstate should have its limits and penalties, you are about to fucking die and then your mates come to help, they get you up and you are almost fresh like nothing? If that is not a bad design choice i dont know what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasylife.7981 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Downstate is a joke. Imagine trying to been unique and having to implement a joke mechanic to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falan.1839 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Downstate itself isn't a problem, it's just that res power (especially with res mechanic trait/skills) and ability to cleave are out of proportion at the moment due to the massive dps nerfs but almost no nerfs to res power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zealex.9410 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 > @"Luclinraider.2317" said: > So WoW Arena has been in decline for 10 years...but is still the most competitive PvP MMO out there. > > GW2 never has a competitive scene...ever. Primarily because of the Downed System. How is that OK with Anet? It's just crazy... I have a slight susprision that if anet was artificially upkeeping their own pvp pro scene with the money wow puts in it, while also selling cosmetics of which the profits of go to the prize pools for said pro scenes, then maybe it would be as "competitive" as wow's, or maybe it would see the same decline as every pro scene under blizzard has for the last 4 years (rip hots). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 TBH they could make downstate players deal 20% less dmg and reduce res speed and it would propably no longer be an issue. Maybe add penelties to rez skills similar to how necro rez signet works, and call it a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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