Khalisto.5780 Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 let's list what's OP, OK or underpowered (UP), being OK the desired power level the vote is considering the strongest build available by that spec core ele UP tempest OP weaver OK core mesmer OK chrono UP mirage OK core necro OK reaper OK scourge UP ranger OK some pets still OP druid UP soulbeast OK thief not sure what's overperforming wotu condi but that is OP, the power variations are ok not sure about DE state engi UP scrapper OK holo OP warrior Ok berserker UP spellbreaker OK rev not sure herald OP renegade it seems ok after patch/hotfix not sure Guardians in general need a nerf to their burn, after that they may be Ok and fb still OP weaver, power thief and core necro may come out stronger if every OP is properly nerfed along with FB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PfillBonBon.1928 Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 Renegade has a lot of damage/cc but cant deal with pressure. Their performance in soloQ is completely random, better in duoq though. Herald isn't OP in soloQ, everybody plays something that can easilly deal with it. Core res doesnt eist. Core ranger is better than SB/druid. Druid is bad because if you want to go off thorn ult, they can easilly roll over trap drops to ignore the cc. Nobody cares about bunker druid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayga.3192 Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 nvm changed my mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojciech.8024 Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 And the purpose of such a list is....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aelska.4609 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 > @"Wojciech.8024" said: > And the purpose of such a list is....? To prevent the balance team to continue the transversal work they started few months ago. It is too early for such a topic, we should encourage the devs to continue reshaping the game in a more healthy way. These QQ threads "nerf this buff that" bring nothing more than noise in this overall work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojciech.8024 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Then it should be way more complex. There is a huge difference between the same specialization in different game modes. Additionally reducing the complexity of each specialization to a statement OK or NOT OK (either way) defies the idea of the discussion entirely. If it is supposed to be a serious analysis it should come down to in-depth insight to the trait/stats-specific level. Otherwise, it can be summarized as "according to player X some classes require changes while other can stay as they are, while according to player Y different specs need a balance". Pretty much obvious conclusion that can be drawn for each player without making any list. Just like saying an obvious truth such as "it either rains or does not rain" - it is always a true statement, but does it clarify in any way what clothes to wear today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swagg.9236 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 WASD is UP Scripted attacks and movements are OP. Runescape having more mind games and tech than GW2 is apparently OK. Hard CC in a game where attacks are aimed for you is pretty anti-fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayga.3192 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 > @"Swagg.9236" said: > Scripted attacks and movements are OP. Two words: tab targeting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swagg.9236 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 > @"Tayga.3192" said: > > @"Swagg.9236" said: > > Scripted attacks and movements are OP. > > Two words: tab targeting Yeah, it was a really hot meme to make a game in which you would feature manual aiming to some degree but then also just have tab targeting too like one wouldn't be inherently way stronger than the other with really nothing to balance the scales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Boyer.6524 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Warrior - UP Berserker - UP Spellbreaker - Almost acceptable "but I feel it is the best model for what a balanced class should actually look like" Guardian - Acceptable "Lots of people complaining about condi but it's really not that big of a deal" Dragonhunter - Acceptable Firebrand - Acceptable Revenant - UP Herald - OP "Shiro too much damage for it's chase potential/target +ing power. Mallyx is too tanky" Renegade - Sometimes UP, sometimes OP "It's just all circumstantial. But Kalla is annoying and questionable to if it should ever be viable in pvp"" Engineer - UP Scrapper - Acceptable Holosmith - Acceptable Ranger - Acceptable Druid - UP Soulbeast - UP Thief - P/D is stupidly OP "Not even going to explain why. There are plenty of other threads currently discussing this build" Daredevil - Acceptable Deadeye - UP Mesmer - UP Chrono - UP Mirage - UP Elementalist - UP Tempest - OP "It's the aura share, it's too much" Weaver - Acceptable Necromancer - Acceptable Reaper - Acceptable Scourge - UP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naxos.2503 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Warrior is Ok ? O.o Really ? Huh. I'll have to review my constant Invulnerability builds again, since it's acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanAlcedo.3281 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 My list: Ele UP Tempest OP Weaver OP Necro OK Reaper OK Scourge UP Mesmer OK Chrono UP Mirage OK Warrior UP Berserker UP Spellbreaker UP Guardian OP Dragonhunter OK Firebrand OP Revenant OK Herold OP Renegade OP Engineer OK Scrapper OP Holosmith OP Ranger OP Druid UP Soulbeast OP Thief OP Daredevil OK Deadeye OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 > @"DanAlcedo.3281" said: > My list: > > Ele UP > Tempest OP > Weaver OP > > Necro OK > Reaper OK > Scourge UP > > Mesmer OK > Chrono UP > Mirage OK > > Warrior UP > Berserker UP > Spellbreaker UP > > Guardian OP > Dragonhunter OK > Firebrand OP > > Revenant OK > Herold OP > Renegade OP > > Engineer OK > Scrapper OP > Holosmith OP > > Ranger OP > Druid UP > Soulbeast OP > > Thief OP > Daredevil OK > Deadeye OK > Most accurate so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugchriss.2046 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 > @"DanAlcedo.3281" said: > My list: > > Ele UP > Tempest OP > Weaver OP > > Necro OK > Reaper OK > Scourge UP > > Mesmer OK > Chrono UP > Mirage OK > > Warrior UP > Berserker UP > Spellbreaker UP > > Guardian OP > Dragonhunter OK > Firebrand OP > > Revenant OK > Herold OP > Renegade OP > > Engineer OK > Scrapper OP > Holosmith OP > > Ranger OP > Druid UP > Soulbeast OP > > Thief OP > Daredevil OK > Deadeye OK > so almost every class is ok/op except the class you play? That coincidence is too suspect bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wevh.2903 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 > @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said: > Warrior - UP > Berserker - UP > Spellbreaker - Almost acceptable "but I feel it is the best model for what a balanced class should actually look like" > > Guardian - Acceptable "Lots of people complaining about condi but it's really not that big of a deal" > Dragonhunter - Acceptable > Firebrand - Acceptable > > Revenant - UP > Herald - OP "Shiro too much damage for it's chase potential/target +ing power. Mallyx is too tanky" > Renegade - Sometimes UP, sometimes OP "It's just all circumstantial. But Kalla is annoying and questionable to if it should ever be viable in pvp"" > > Engineer - UP > Scrapper - Acceptable > Holosmith - Acceptable > > Ranger - Acceptable > Druid - UP > Soulbeast - UP > > Thief - P/D is stupidly OP "Not even going to explain why. There are plenty of other threads currently discussing this build" > Daredevil - Acceptable > Deadeye - UP > > Mesmer - UP > Chrono - UP > Mirage - UP > > Elementalist - UP > Tempest - OP "It's the aura share, it's too much" > Weaver - Acceptable > > Necromancer - Acceptable > Reaper - Acceptable > Scourge - UP Still dont know what game do u play xd ,ranger is one of the best sidenoders this meta xd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanAlcedo.3281 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 > @"Eugchriss.2046" said: > > @"DanAlcedo.3281" said: > > My list: > > > > Ele UP > > Tempest OP > > Weaver OP > > > > Necro OK > > Reaper OK > > Scourge UP > > > > Mesmer OK > > Chrono UP > > Mirage OK > > > > Warrior UP > > Berserker UP > > Spellbreaker UP > > > > Guardian OP > > Dragonhunter OK > > Firebrand OP > > > > Revenant OK > > Herold OP > > Renegade OP > > > > Engineer OK > > Scrapper OP > > Holosmith OP > > > > Ranger OP > > Druid UP > > Soulbeast OP > > > > Thief OP > > Daredevil OK > > Deadeye OK > > > so almost every class is ok/op except the class you play? That coincidence is too suspect bro. > I dont play Warrior in PvP and do you think Warrior is ok in this meta? I the last 240 Games i played i can count the number of warrios on one hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VICBEAR.1529 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 What does it all mean? OP, UP? I do not understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliamRationem.5172 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 > @"Eugchriss.2046" said: > > @"DanAlcedo.3281" said: > > My list: > > > > Ele UP > > Tempest OP > > Weaver OP > > > > Necro OK > > Reaper OK > > Scourge UP > > > > Mesmer OK > > Chrono UP > > Mirage OK > > > > Warrior UP > > Berserker UP > > Spellbreaker UP > > > > Guardian OP > > Dragonhunter OK > > Firebrand OP > > > > Revenant OK > > Herold OP > > Renegade OP > > > > Engineer OK > > Scrapper OP > > Holosmith OP > > > > Ranger OP > > Druid UP > > Soulbeast OP > > > > Thief OP > > Daredevil OK > > Deadeye OK > > > so almost every class is ok/op except the class you play? That coincidence is too suspect bro. > LoL I was thinking the same as I read that list. But hey, we were asked for our opinions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl.8924 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 I wouldn't trust anyone here unless they main a class, reason being: Bias. Like a player who hates guardian/warrior/mesmer/thief will say they are op no matter what and only say they are possibly balanced when they are not viable, and these descriptions are not good enough. Where are the thief mains here to speak about the class? where are the high pvp platinum mesmers and warrior mains? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PfillBonBon.1928 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 > @"Naxos.2503" said: > Warrior is Ok ? O.o > > Really ? Huh. I'll have to review my constant Invulnerability builds again, since it's acceptable. Getting 1v1d by a thief using no brain cells is hardly "okay". Not to mention stone heart/elemental shielding. > @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said: > Revenant - UP > Herald - OP "Shiro too much damage for it's chase potential/target +ing power. Mallyx is too tanky" > Renegade - Sometimes UP, sometimes OP "It's just all circumstantial. But Kalla is annoying and questionable to if it should ever be viable in pvp"" Power Shiro is overrated in soloQ, explosives holo better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar.3568 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Chrono op, I saw someone playing it pls nerf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xp eke xp.6724 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 I would like to see more what mechanics are op/ok/up. Ok here my list: ___________________ Ele - up tempest - up Weaver - op/ok Mesmer - ok chrono - ok mirrage - op Necro - ok reaper - ok scourge - up ____________________ ranger - up druid - ok soulbeast - ok thief - ok daredevil - up/op deadeye - up/ok engie - up scrapper - ok/op holo - ok _____________________ warri - up berserk - up spellbreaker - ok Guard- up dh - up FB - ok/op rev - ok/op herald - ok/op renegard - ok/op ______________________ - Based on playerskill, most classes can dramaticaly change to underpowered and all burst/condi builds to op against most players! - On theoriecraft you have the best matchup as mirrage - kite is op, but most players dont use them right - best duo-q on theory is druid+warrior cause you can hold 2 points and/or support teamfights - best duo-q on abuse playerhabbits is double mirrage if you can play that class otherwise just play 2 burst combs - worst abuseable map: Temple - best abuseable map: Niflhel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 > @"xp eke xp.6724" said: > I would like to see more what mechanics are op/ok/up. > > Ok here my list: > ___________________ > Ele - up > tempest - up > Weaver - op/ok > > Mesmer - ok > chrono - ok > mirrage - op > > Necro - ok > reaper - ok > scourge - up > ____________________ > ranger - up > druid - ok > soulbeast - ok > > thief - ok > daredevil - up/op > deadeye - up/ok > > engie - up > scrapper - ok/op > holo - ok > _____________________ > warri - up > berserk - up > spellbreaker - ok > > Guard- up > dh - up > FB - ok/op > > rev - ok/op > herald - ok/op > renegard - ok/op > ______________________ > - Based on playerskill, most classes can dramaticaly change to underpowered and all burst/condi builds to op against most players! > - On theoriecraft you have the best matchup as mirrage > - kite is op, but most players dont use them right > - best duo-q on theory is druid+warrior cause you can hold 2 points and/or support teamfights > - best duo-q on abuse playerhabbits is double mirrage if you can play that class otherwise just play 2 burst combs > - worst abuseable map: Temple > - best abuseable map: Niflhel I like how in your book, chrono is OK while ranger is UP. Lovely :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLS.4095 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Ele OP Tempest OP Weaver OP Necro OP Reaper OP Scourge OP Mesmer OP Chrono OP Mirage OP Warrior OP Berserker OP Spellbreaker OP Guardian OP Dragonhunter OP Firebrand OP Revenant OP Herold OP Renegade OP Engineer OP Scrapper OP Holosmith OP Ranger OP Druid OP Soulbeast OP Thief OP Daredevil OP Deadeye OP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 everyone saying tempest is OP lol clearly haven't played one funny funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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