LucianDK.8615 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 > @"Sigmoid.7082" said: > > @"LucianDK.8615" said: > > Out with them, leads to nothing but toxicty. > > And people wont be without them? "But its just another avenue and without it..." etc etc. If you go down that route so much more needs to be ..and you know what? People would still be toxic. All such thirdparty addons needs to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigmoid.7082 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 > @"LucianDK.8615" said: > > @"Sigmoid.7082" said: > > > @"LucianDK.8615" said: > > > Out with them, leads to nothing but toxicty. > > > > And people wont be without them? "But its just another avenue and without it..." etc etc. If you go down that route so much more needs to be removed..and you know what? People would still be toxic. > > All such thirdparty addons needs to go. I'm not exclusively talking about 3rd party stuff. You think stuff in game is exempt from "causing" toxicity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ototo.3214 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 I don't necessarily think they should be banned, i just kinda wish there was a built in one since I don't want to use a 3rd party application. I know they are capable of it, it's there in the golem practice area of the aerodrome :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeikeNz.3526 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 "**While playing Guild Wars 2, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the Game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, embarrass or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players. This includes posting insulting, offensive, or abusive comments about players, repeatedly sending unwanted messages, reporting players maliciously, attacking a player based on race, sexual orientation, religion, heritage, etc. Hate speech is not tolerated.**" so people using arc dps to harass bad players is a bannable offense, it's insulting and offensive. "**You may not modify any part of the Guild Wars 2 client or server software. Also, you may not modify any part of the official Guild Wars 2 websites, other than the official Guild Wars 2 Wiki in accordance with its terms and conditions.**" it's not an in game feature to see other people dps, even if it's not cheating it's used to harm people. Using arcdps to check your own dps is a thing, now to check people dps just because they are doing 2k less dps than you and harassing them is another. so anet should follow the rules and start banning people using it. **fun fact**: people say the game don't have trinity, it's worse than that, the game is all about dps and healers, anet made alot of prefix to items and people want just to force vipers/zerk/harrier. i saw people harassing others on fractals just because they did "low dps" even if the fractal was done without a death and was easy, it should be a bannable offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASP.8093 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 > @"SeikeNz.3526" said: > so people using arc dps to harass bad players is a bannable offense, it's insulting and offensive. That has everything to do with harassment (n.b. group-kicking someone from a party you all put together in good faith is not harassment) and nothing to do with ArcDPS, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliamRationem.5172 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 > @"SeikeNz.3526" said: > "**While playing Guild Wars 2, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the Game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, embarrass or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players. This includes posting insulting, offensive, or abusive comments about players, repeatedly sending unwanted messages, reporting players maliciously, attacking a player based on race, sexual orientation, religion, heritage, etc. Hate speech is not tolerated.**" > > so people using arc dps to harass bad players is a bannable offense, it's insulting and offensive. > > "**You may not modify any part of the Guild Wars 2 client or server software. Also, you may not modify any part of the official Guild Wars 2 websites, other than the official Guild Wars 2 Wiki in accordance with its terms and conditions.**" > > it's not an in game feature to see other people dps, even if it's not cheating it's used to harm people. > > > Using arcdps to check your own dps is a thing, now to check people dps just because they are doing 2k less dps than you and harassing them is another. > > so anet should follow the rules and start banning people using it. > > **fun fact**: people say the game don't have trinity, it's worse than that, the game is all about dps and healers, anet made alot of prefix to items and people want just to force vipers/zerk/harrier. > > > > > i saw people harassing others on fractals just because they did "low dps" even if the fractal was done without a death and was easy, it should be a bannable offense. So kick and block with no explanation so they can't be offended by anything you've said to them. Got it. Thanks. It's the new "polite!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taril.8619 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 > @"Sigmoid.7082" said: > > @"LucianDK.8615" said: > > Out with them, leads to nothing but toxicty. > > And people wont be without them? "But its just another avenue and without it..." etc etc. If you go down that route so much more needs to be removed..and you know what? People would still be toxic. Remove people. That'd get rid of toxicity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddoctor.2738 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 > @"SeikeNz.3526" said: > "**While playing Guild Wars 2, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the Game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, embarrass or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players. This includes posting insulting, offensive, or abusive comments about players, repeatedly sending unwanted messages, reporting players maliciously, attacking a player based on race, sexual orientation, religion, heritage, etc. Hate speech is not tolerated.**" A player that joins a group created for a specific purpose, without fulfilling that purpose, already embarrassed, insulted and abused the group, so I don't see an issue with the group fighting back in that case. Otherwise they should add a new report function: "disrespect towards the group" and offer harsh punishments to those that harass groups like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeikeNz.3526 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 > @"AliamRationem.5172" said: > > @"SeikeNz.3526" said: > > "**While playing Guild Wars 2, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the Game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, embarrass or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players. This includes posting insulting, offensive, or abusive comments about players, repeatedly sending unwanted messages, reporting players maliciously, attacking a player based on race, sexual orientation, religion, heritage, etc. Hate speech is not tolerated.**" > > > > so people using arc dps to harass bad players is a bannable offense, it's insulting and offensive. > > > > "**You may not modify any part of the Guild Wars 2 client or server software. Also, you may not modify any part of the official Guild Wars 2 websites, other than the official Guild Wars 2 Wiki in accordance with its terms and conditions.**" > > > > it's not an in game feature to see other people dps, even if it's not cheating it's used to harm people. > > > > > > Using arcdps to check your own dps is a thing, now to check people dps just because they are doing 2k less dps than you and harassing them is another. > > > > so anet should follow the rules and start banning people using it. > > > > **fun fact**: people say the game don't have trinity, it's worse than that, the game is all about dps and healers, anet made alot of prefix to items and people want just to force vipers/zerk/harrier. > > > > > > > > > > i saw people harassing others on fractals just because they did "low dps" even if the fractal was done without a death and was easy, it should be a bannable offense. > > So kick and block with no explanation so they can't be offended by anything you've said to them. Got it. Thanks. It's the new "polite!" yes, last time my group saw a bad player talking about dps we kicked him at the last boss without saying anything, we did it without a problem with one less player and his dps meter, no offense was needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 > @"SeikeNz.3526" said: > > @"AliamRationem.5172" said: > > > @"SeikeNz.3526" said: > > > "**While playing Guild Wars 2, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the Game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, embarrass or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players. This includes posting insulting, offensive, or abusive comments about players, repeatedly sending unwanted messages, reporting players maliciously, attacking a player based on race, sexual orientation, religion, heritage, etc. Hate speech is not tolerated.**" > > > > > > so people using arc dps to harass bad players is a bannable offense, it's insulting and offensive. > > > > > > "**You may not modify any part of the Guild Wars 2 client or server software. Also, you may not modify any part of the official Guild Wars 2 websites, other than the official Guild Wars 2 Wiki in accordance with its terms and conditions.**" > > > > > > it's not an in game feature to see other people dps, even if it's not cheating it's used to harm people. > > > > > > > > > Using arcdps to check your own dps is a thing, now to check people dps just because they are doing 2k less dps than you and harassing them is another. > > > > > > so anet should follow the rules and start banning people using it. > > > > > > **fun fact**: people say the game don't have trinity, it's worse than that, the game is all about dps and healers, anet made alot of prefix to items and people want just to force vipers/zerk/harrier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i saw people harassing others on fractals just because they did "low dps" even if the fractal was done without a death and was easy, it should be a bannable offense. > > > > So kick and block with no explanation so they can't be offended by anything you've said to them. Got it. Thanks. It's the new "polite!" > > yes, last time my group saw a bad player talking about dps we kicked him at the last boss without saying anything, we did it without a problem with one less player and his dps meter, no offense was needed. So I am certain you listed in your LFG: if you discuss DPS we’ll kick you’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliamRationem.5172 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 > @"SeikeNz.3526" said: > > @"AliamRationem.5172" said: > > > @"SeikeNz.3526" said: > > > "**While playing Guild Wars 2, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the Game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, embarrass or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players. This includes posting insulting, offensive, or abusive comments about players, repeatedly sending unwanted messages, reporting players maliciously, attacking a player based on race, sexual orientation, religion, heritage, etc. Hate speech is not tolerated.**" > > > > > > so people using arc dps to harass bad players is a bannable offense, it's insulting and offensive. > > > > > > "**You may not modify any part of the Guild Wars 2 client or server software. Also, you may not modify any part of the official Guild Wars 2 websites, other than the official Guild Wars 2 Wiki in accordance with its terms and conditions.**" > > > > > > it's not an in game feature to see other people dps, even if it's not cheating it's used to harm people. > > > > > > > > > Using arcdps to check your own dps is a thing, now to check people dps just because they are doing 2k less dps than you and harassing them is another. > > > > > > so anet should follow the rules and start banning people using it. > > > > > > **fun fact**: people say the game don't have trinity, it's worse than that, the game is all about dps and healers, anet made alot of prefix to items and people want just to force vipers/zerk/harrier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i saw people harassing others on fractals just because they did "low dps" even if the fractal was done without a death and was easy, it should be a bannable offense. > > > > So kick and block with no explanation so they can't be offended by anything you've said to them. Got it. Thanks. It's the new "polite!" > > yes, last time my group saw a bad player talking about dps we kicked him at the last boss without saying anything, we did it without a problem with one less player and his dps meter, no offense was needed. Feels good, right? But do keep in mind that's a two-way street and it isn't guys like that having a good cry on the forums every other day. Be careful what you wish for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigmoid.7082 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 > @"SeikeNz.3526" said: > > @"AliamRationem.5172" said: > > > @"SeikeNz.3526" said: > > > "**While playing Guild Wars 2, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the Game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, embarrass or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players. This includes posting insulting, offensive, or abusive comments about players, repeatedly sending unwanted messages, reporting players maliciously, attacking a player based on race, sexual orientation, religion, heritage, etc. Hate speech is not tolerated.**" > > > > > > so people using arc dps to harass bad players is a bannable offense, it's insulting and offensive. > > > > > > "**You may not modify any part of the Guild Wars 2 client or server software. Also, you may not modify any part of the official Guild Wars 2 websites, other than the official Guild Wars 2 Wiki in accordance with its terms and conditions.**" > > > > > > it's not an in game feature to see other people dps, even if it's not cheating it's used to harm people. > > > > > > > > > Using arcdps to check your own dps is a thing, now to check people dps just because they are doing 2k less dps than you and harassing them is another. > > > > > > so anet should follow the rules and start banning people using it. > > > > > > **fun fact**: people say the game don't have trinity, it's worse than that, the game is all about dps and healers, anet made alot of prefix to items and people want just to force vipers/zerk/harrier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i saw people harassing others on fractals just because they did "low dps" even if the fractal was done without a death and was easy, it should be a bannable offense. > > > > So kick and block with no explanation so they can't be offended by anything you've said to them. Got it. Thanks. It's the new "polite!" > > yes, last time my group saw a bad player talking about dps we kicked him at the last boss without saying anything, we did it without a problem with one less player and his dps meter, no offense was needed. And its likely that without the dps meter that same person would have been just as toxic about something else they think was causing the issue ? Classes? Not enough AP? Weapons etc...any arbitrary thing..you name it they would have picked it. It **literally** happened in the past. People are acting like toxicity and dps meters are exclusively mutual i.e one doesn't exist without the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliamRationem.5172 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > @"SeikeNz.3526" said: > > > @"AliamRationem.5172" said: > > > > @"SeikeNz.3526" said: > > > > "**While playing Guild Wars 2, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the Game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, embarrass or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players. This includes posting insulting, offensive, or abusive comments about players, repeatedly sending unwanted messages, reporting players maliciously, attacking a player based on race, sexual orientation, religion, heritage, etc. Hate speech is not tolerated.**" > > > > > > > > so people using arc dps to harass bad players is a bannable offense, it's insulting and offensive. > > > > > > > > "**You may not modify any part of the Guild Wars 2 client or server software. Also, you may not modify any part of the official Guild Wars 2 websites, other than the official Guild Wars 2 Wiki in accordance with its terms and conditions.**" > > > > > > > > it's not an in game feature to see other people dps, even if it's not cheating it's used to harm people. > > > > > > > > > > > > Using arcdps to check your own dps is a thing, now to check people dps just because they are doing 2k less dps than you and harassing them is another. > > > > > > > > so anet should follow the rules and start banning people using it. > > > > > > > > **fun fact**: people say the game don't have trinity, it's worse than that, the game is all about dps and healers, anet made alot of prefix to items and people want just to force vipers/zerk/harrier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i saw people harassing others on fractals just because they did "low dps" even if the fractal was done without a death and was easy, it should be a bannable offense. > > > > > > So kick and block with no explanation so they can't be offended by anything you've said to them. Got it. Thanks. It's the new "polite!" > > > > yes, last time my group saw a bad player talking about dps we kicked him at the last boss without saying anything, we did it without a problem with one less player and his dps meter, no offense was needed. > > So I am certain you listed in your LFG: if you discuss DPS we’ll kick you’. Naa. That would be "abusive". Better to not communicate your intentions and then kick people for whichever behaviors your group agrees (silently!) are unacceptable. Sometimes that'll mean kicking the guy who complains about dps when you're clearing content without issue. But most of the time it'll be some poor noob who doesn't know any better and will be none-the-wiser when he gets kicked and blocked because we're being "polite" to each other in accordance with policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuna Bandit.3786 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 If people want to use a poorly-programmed adon like Arc DPS, it's their decision. I honestly don't care. Whisper me with Arc DPS results? I don't care. "It's that or kill proof to get into a RAID group" I raid with friends only... I do NOT CARE. Will I use it myself? Nope. Don't need that monstrocity on my screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shikaru.7618 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 > @"SeikeNz.3526" said: > > @"AliamRationem.5172" said: > > > @"SeikeNz.3526" said: > > > "**While playing Guild Wars 2, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the Game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, embarrass or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players. This includes posting insulting, offensive, or abusive comments about players, repeatedly sending unwanted messages, reporting players maliciously, attacking a player based on race, sexual orientation, religion, heritage, etc. Hate speech is not tolerated.**" > > > > > > so people using arc dps to harass bad players is a bannable offense, it's insulting and offensive. > > > > > > "**You may not modify any part of the Guild Wars 2 client or server software. Also, you may not modify any part of the official Guild Wars 2 websites, other than the official Guild Wars 2 Wiki in accordance with its terms and conditions.**" > > > > > > it's not an in game feature to see other people dps, even if it's not cheating it's used to harm people. > > > > > > > > > Using arcdps to check your own dps is a thing, now to check people dps just because they are doing 2k less dps than you and harassing them is another. > > > > > > so anet should follow the rules and start banning people using it. > > > > > > **fun fact**: people say the game don't have trinity, it's worse than that, the game is all about dps and healers, anet made alot of prefix to items and people want just to force vipers/zerk/harrier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i saw people harassing others on fractals just because they did "low dps" even if the fractal was done without a death and was easy, it should be a bannable offense. > > > > So kick and block with no explanation so they can't be offended by anything you've said to them. Got it. Thanks. It's the new "polite!" > > yes, last time my group saw a bad player talking about dps we kicked him at the last boss without saying anything, we did it without a problem with one less player and his dps meter, no offense was needed. How did you quantify this player was bad if no one in your group has objective data to base it on? without a meter and the combat report that comes with it, in a combat scenario, I can feasibly see someone counting the number of downs a particular player incurred, the number of times they were grossly out of position, or similar major action, but beyond that you're at best confirmation biasing yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeikeNz.3526 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 > @"Shikaru.7618" said: > > @"SeikeNz.3526" said: > > > @"AliamRationem.5172" said: > > > > @"SeikeNz.3526" said: > > > > "**While playing Guild Wars 2, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the Game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, embarrass or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players. This includes posting insulting, offensive, or abusive comments about players, repeatedly sending unwanted messages, reporting players maliciously, attacking a player based on race, sexual orientation, religion, heritage, etc. Hate speech is not tolerated.**" > > > > > > > > so people using arc dps to harass bad players is a bannable offense, it's insulting and offensive. > > > > > > > > "**You may not modify any part of the Guild Wars 2 client or server software. Also, you may not modify any part of the official Guild Wars 2 websites, other than the official Guild Wars 2 Wiki in accordance with its terms and conditions.**" > > > > > > > > it's not an in game feature to see other people dps, even if it's not cheating it's used to harm people. > > > > > > > > > > > > Using arcdps to check your own dps is a thing, now to check people dps just because they are doing 2k less dps than you and harassing them is another. > > > > > > > > so anet should follow the rules and start banning people using it. > > > > > > > > **fun fact**: people say the game don't have trinity, it's worse than that, the game is all about dps and healers, anet made alot of prefix to items and people want just to force vipers/zerk/harrier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i saw people harassing others on fractals just because they did "low dps" even if the fractal was done without a death and was easy, it should be a bannable offense. > > > > > > So kick and block with no explanation so they can't be offended by anything you've said to them. Got it. Thanks. It's the new "polite!" > > > > yes, last time my group saw a bad player talking about dps we kicked him at the last boss without saying anything, we did it without a problem with one less player and his dps meter, no offense was needed. > > How did you quantify this player was bad if no one in your group has objective data to base it on? without a meter and the combat report that comes with it, in a combat scenario, I can feasibly see someone counting the number of downs a particular player incurred, the number of times they were grossly out of position, or similar major action, but beyond that you're at best confirmation biasing yourself. is this game about only one variable? damage? most of the times the dps meter players are the ones dying and failing the mechanics, because they go glass cannon so they can yell at others "low dps" and harass them while other players get killed trying to ress him, also they never evade boss hits, so their dps can skyrocket then calling healers bad for not saving them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASP.8093 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 > @"SeikeNz.3526" said: > is this game about only one variable? damage? most of the times the dps meter players are the ones dying and failing the mechanics, because they go glass cannon so they can yell at others "low dps" and harass them while other players get killed trying to ress him, also they never evade boss hits, so their dps can skyrocket then call healers bad for not saving him. Getting downed craters your personal DPS, though. And the meters/reports do show that. For raid bosses you can even graph out exactly who's failing mechanics when, if you want to. Also, there are quite a few mechanics that deal %-based health damage or just one-shot you regardless of Vitality/Toughness, which tends to devalue any kind of defense in raids. The sheer amount of incoming damage over time means dodging and healer output are more important than your total hp pool. (The Toughness-tanking mechanic enforcing a tight constraint on everyone's stats doesn't help, either.) In Fractals, the highest-DPS speed-clear groups are trying to minimize reliance on dedicated healers. If you've got a full Healbrand, it's because you value smooth and safe over fast and perfect. (Which is why, e.g., I'm playing Healbrand myself.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 > @"AliamRationem.5172" said: > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > @"SeikeNz.3526" said: > > > > @"AliamRationem.5172" said: > > > > > @"SeikeNz.3526" said: > > > > > "**While playing Guild Wars 2, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the Game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, embarrass or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players. This includes posting insulting, offensive, or abusive comments about players, repeatedly sending unwanted messages, reporting players maliciously, attacking a player based on race, sexual orientation, religion, heritage, etc. Hate speech is not tolerated.**" > > > > > > > > > > so people using arc dps to harass bad players is a bannable offense, it's insulting and offensive. > > > > > > > > > > "**You may not modify any part of the Guild Wars 2 client or server software. Also, you may not modify any part of the official Guild Wars 2 websites, other than the official Guild Wars 2 Wiki in accordance with its terms and conditions.**" > > > > > > > > > > it's not an in game feature to see other people dps, even if it's not cheating it's used to harm people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Using arcdps to check your own dps is a thing, now to check people dps just because they are doing 2k less dps than you and harassing them is another. > > > > > > > > > > so anet should follow the rules and start banning people using it. > > > > > > > > > > **fun fact**: people say the game don't have trinity, it's worse than that, the game is all about dps and healers, anet made alot of prefix to items and people want just to force vipers/zerk/harrier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i saw people harassing others on fractals just because they did "low dps" even if the fractal was done without a death and was easy, it should be a bannable offense. > > > > > > > > So kick and block with no explanation so they can't be offended by anything you've said to them. Got it. Thanks. It's the new "polite!" > > > > > > yes, last time my group saw a bad player talking about dps we kicked him at the last boss without saying anything, we did it without a problem with one less player and his dps meter, no offense was needed. > > > > So I am certain you listed in your LFG: if you discuss DPS we’ll kick you’. > > Naa. That would be "abusive". Better to not communicate your intentions and then kick people for whichever behaviors your group agrees (silently!) are unacceptable. Sometimes that'll mean kicking the guy who complains about dps when you're clearing content without issue. But most of the time it'll be some poor noob who doesn't know any better and will be none-the-wiser when he gets kicked and blocked because we're being "polite" to each other in accordance with policy. IKR? Of course, the guy helped up until the last boss. This is even more toxic, but hey, some people just can’t be bothered to communicate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laila Lightness.8742 Posted September 1, 2020 Author Share Posted September 1, 2020 > @"LucianDK.8615" said: > Out with them, leads to nothing but toxicty. The toxic casuals and toxic raider talk before dps meter the groups was even more restricted, no necro no rangers dps meter proved they were viable. Toxic raiders is a result of toxic casuals mostly alot of ppl join in to get carried and gets upset then commander dont want to eventually commander gets feed up and put requirements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliamRationem.5172 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 > @"Laila Lightness.8742" said: > > @"LucianDK.8615" said: > > Out with them, leads to nothing but toxicty. > > The toxic casuals and toxic raider talk before dps meter the groups was even more restricted, no necro no rangers dps meter proved they were viable. Toxic raiders is a result of toxic casuals mostly alot of ppl join in to get carried and gets upset then commander dont want to eventually commander gets feed up and put requirements I had a good pickup run the other day. We had power reaper, 2 power soulbeasts, condi weaver and a healbrand. T4 dailies + recs in an hour. No problems. It's sad to think that without a tool like arcdps we might go back to the days where it's hard to find groups running comps like this. I mean honestly, if I had to explain my build before every fractal run I'd never get a group! "Fire/arcane sword/focus weaver with dire stats? Isn't that like a WvW roamer build? Yeah, sooo anyway...we'll be in touch!" But if they can see me push 30k+ dps on quick burn fights like Subject 6 and Old Tom and we're able to bypass the mechanics on T4 without issue, most groups aren't going to give me any crap about it. It seems pretty simple to me. Arcdps is just a tool and so are some people! You shouldn't feel the need to demean people over poor performance (whether they are causing a problem or not!) just like you shouldn't expect a carry when you're not doing what it takes to pull your weight in more difficult group content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASP.8093 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 The thing I really want to get across is that the most hostile and judgemental players, the ones who really flip out when a run goes sideways even a little, also tend not to be very thoughtful or clear-headed across the board. Taking away Arc isn't going to alter their behavior, because fundamentally it's not about any kind of objective, measurable thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linken.6345 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 > @"Ashantara.8731" said: > > @"Arcaniaxs.4519" said: > > You deserve getting kicked out of group if u arent providing anything to the group... no one want deadweight. > > There is indeed content for which this is true. I don't need to have a DPS meter, though, to notice others aren't doing enough DPS or don't provide enough support. ;) > Ofcourse you dont since its kinda easy to see you fail the encounter, now seeing witch one of the 3-6 dps that are failing is not as easy right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GummyBearSummoner.7941 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 I think it should. It continues to bring a toxic atmosphere in the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyrai.8720 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 > @"SeikeNz.3526" said: > "**While playing Guild Wars 2, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the Game. (...)**" > > so people using arc dps to harass bad players is a bannable offense, it's insulting and offensive. depends where you draw the line of "harassing". verbally abusing and flaming someone for low dps is 100% harassing and should have consequences. asking a player to either perform better or leave the squad (or even kicking him) is not. "respecting the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the Game" is not a one-way-street. _edit_: i'm writing this because i constantly see "casual" players complaining about being harassed, when theyre really just reminded that their skill doesnt match the squad's expectations. > i saw people harassing others on fractals just because they did "low dps" even if the fractal was done without a death and was easy, it should be a bannable offense. i have seen players join T4 and CM groups and do literally **nothing** with the group still doing fine without deaths, simply because the other 4 players were skilled enough and worked their arses off. when adressing the issue, the usual response it "it worked out fine, whats your problem?!" ignorance and leeching should also be bannable offenses... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laila Lightness.8742 Posted September 2, 2020 Author Share Posted September 2, 2020 > @"GummyBearSummoner.7941" said: > I think it should. It continues to bring a toxic atmosphere in the game Before meter it was still toxic as then they kicked you if you played wrong class or had to low ap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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