subversiontwo.7501 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Why did none of the three warriors stun the ele? I get that you are trying to create some discussion about down-cleave damage versus ressurection speeds, but by making a general complaint that looks past CC with no mention of it, you are doing yourself a disservice. You don't have to factor CC directly into your argument, it could be purposely overlooked and still be a valid, confined discussion, but you have to note that you are aware of it and explicitly look past it. Otherwise your arguments fall and you get questions like mine above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biermeister.4678 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Stun and Stomp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 they could be bad warriors. hundred blades isnt fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iKeostuKen.2738 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Considering a warrior can 2 hit eles, I'm not buying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 eles got this trait that if on earth, you can't be crit. wooden potatoes had that build posted in youtube. nerfed now but could probably be that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeolus.3615 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Tdlr 3 players failed to kill downed state player and the player resurrecting him. Maybe he had decent support.... wich the attacker’s failed to notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltekka.2375 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 I agree with OP. Buff warr to oneshoot downed people with autoattacks. Problem solved. But just warr. Cause its, you know, THE weakest class out there. Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absurd.2947 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Curious about the extreme berserker build. Wouldn't be surprised if you all were cleaving in different directions, it's NA after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 > @"rng.1024" said: > - Attune to earth in order to reduce downcleave by 33% eh? whats all this then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeolus.3615 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 > @"Absurd.2947" said: > Curious about the extreme berserker build. Wouldn't be surprised if you all were cleaving in different directions, it's NA after all. Touché. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 > @"Aeolus.3615" said: > > > @"Absurd.2947" said: > > Curious about the extreme berserker build. Wouldn't be surprised if you all were cleaving in different directions, it's NA after all. > > Touché. > If you look closely, hitman actually said *"3 3 3 3 3 3 3"* so if you had a video of that encounter you'd probably just see 3 warriors spinning around and around all over the place like Sufi dancers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justine.6351 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 As many of these type of problems you seem to have Hitman... Please get something like shadowplay so we can actually start believing you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steki.1478 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 > @"Absurd.2947" said: > Curious about the extreme berserker build. Wouldn't be surprised if you all were cleaving in different directions, it's NA after all. 3 berserkers in berserker gear and berserker runes casting skill 3 on a downed enemy while the ele is reviving it with skill 3 is the extreme berserker gameplay. Keep up with meta cmon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 o.o;; quickness x stomp works no more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchonWing.9480 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 > @"rng.1024" said: > How 3 full dps classes can manage to do less than 3k dmg per sec each all with a weapon that has skills that reach 5k easily, is beyond me. Did they all have weakness? Did the ele stun them all with shocking aura? Blinds? Maybe. Andddd this is why arcdps was invented. People see big numbers and declare themselves to have "teh sick bursts" when it really isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xervite.5493 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 could have been a rez trait with necro leeching life, also downing has initial iframes for a few seconds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justine.6351 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 > @"Sovereign.1093" said: > o.o;; quickness x stomp works no more? Quickness hasn't affected stomp for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 > @"Justine.6351" said: > > @"Sovereign.1093" said: > > o.o;; quickness x stomp works no more? > > Quickness hasn't affected stomp for a long time. oh. i guess they should have stomped hehe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steki.1478 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 > @"Justine.6351" said: > > @"Fat Disgrace.4275" said: > > > @"XenesisII.1540" said: > > > Warriors hit pretty hard... so uh.. where's the video? > > > > He runs a pretty trash build though, its "top kek secrete build) but I have seen videos of him hitting like a jelly fish. > > probably wanderers rofl. Roaming = wandering around the map so it fits perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gebrechen.5643 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Hint for the 3 warriors. Stand in range of the downstate guy next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy.6029 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 I saw something very similar to this the other day while in EB on N side of stone mist between there and OW. Except it was 2 warriors on a necro and I was on my ele messing around with a new build and the 2 warriors were on him when I noticed him to go down I and an engi ran over except the engi was in stealth coming from different angle, 1 warrior was way out of range though he was pointed in the right direction and the other was right on top of him but was slightly pointed in wrong direction, So, what happened was I tossed a water field and then rezd him with the engie, that was pretty much it. Not saying this was the same incident , just that im sure this sort of situation happens a lot. The only reason I remember is because after that everybody kept on skirmishing and I got this epic rage whisper which was incredibly long and hilarious, dude was raging for like 15 mins straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman.5829 Posted August 23, 2019 Author Share Posted August 23, 2019 > @"rng.1024" said: > We can do the math for the fun of it. > > **Arcane Ressurection:** > We can assume the elementalist has maximum outgoing healing, namely 35% (15% from water line, 10% from sigil and 10% from rice ball food). > It then heals for 7×1,35 = 9,45% each second for a total of 47,25% after all pulses. > > **Ressing:** > Base revival speed is 15% per second. Since revival bonuses stack additively we can add the trait (10%) and the runes (20%) and we get a speed of 19,5% per second. > > **Conclusion:** > This puts our final ressing speed, assuming the ele has no staff and just presses F, at ~29% per second. Given downstate health is equal to about double the healthpool (tested by vaporforming and reading combat log dmg it does) this constitutes to about (18 000×2) (marauder) × 0,29 = 10440 dmg per sec in order to completely nullify the ticks. In order to achieve normal ress speed, only 8800 is required. > > How 3 full dps classes can manage to do less than 3k dmg per sec each all with a weapon that has skills that reach 5k easily, is beyond me. Did they all have weakness? Did the ele stun them all with shocking aura? Blinds? Maybe. You are forgetting the down state healing from the other player. The most powerful healings are: * Ranger * Guardian * Necro Also, i don't think your math is right. By just pressing F one can increase res speed by 30% with the right runes. This in turn increases the healing per second (HPS) because your casting time is decreased by 30%. In other words, do the math again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedShark.9548 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 > @"L A T I O N.8923" said: > Lol wars have the tools to kill almost all glassy elite specs in 2-3 hits.. > > But yeah sure, not hard enough Rightfully deserved when you let yourself get hit by each and every skill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgMatt.5162 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Was probably full minstrels too, no glassy Ele zerg build would be able to survive that cleave without dying quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steki.1478 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 > @"Hitman.5829" said: > > @"rng.1024" said: > > We can do the math for the fun of it. > > > > **Arcane Ressurection:** > > We can assume the elementalist has maximum outgoing healing, namely 35% (15% from water line, 10% from sigil and 10% from rice ball food). > > It then heals for 7×1,35 = 9,45% each second for a total of 47,25% after all pulses. > > > > **Ressing:** > > Base revival speed is 15% per second. Since revival bonuses stack additively we can add the trait (10%) and the runes (20%) and we get a speed of 19,5% per second. > > > > **Conclusion:** > > This puts our final ressing speed, assuming the ele has no staff and just presses F, at ~29% per second. Given downstate health is equal to about double the healthpool (tested by vaporforming and reading combat log dmg it does) this constitutes to about (18 000×2) (marauder) × 0,29 = 10440 dmg per sec in order to completely nullify the ticks. In order to achieve normal ress speed, only 8800 is required. > > > > How 3 full dps classes can manage to do less than 3k dmg per sec each all with a weapon that has skills that reach 5k easily, is beyond me. Did they all have weakness? Did the ele stun them all with shocking aura? Blinds? Maybe. > > You are forgetting the down state healing from the other player. > The most powerful healings are: > * Ranger > * Guardian > * Necro > > Also, i don't think your math is right. By just pressing F one can increase res speed by 30% with the right runes. This in turn increases the healing per second (HPS) because your casting time is decreased by 30%. > > In other words, do the math again. In other words, learn how to play vs downed enemies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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